This week on Offline, Jon is joined by Alex Stamos, Facebook’s former Chief Security Officer. As Jon’s first guest who has worked at a social media company, Alex gives us a first-hand look at Facebook’s internal politics, delivering insight on Russian hackers and the Haugen papers He also makes the case that it’s time for Mark Zuckerberg to step down.

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