Anand Giridharadas joins Jon to talk about his new book, The Persuaders, which hit shelves this week. Anand makes the case that, even in our era of extreme polarization, persuasion isn’t dead and shares how many persuaders he talked to — including Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez — are successfully changing minds. The two talk about Russian trolls, Hillary Clinton, and what marriage counseling can teach us about American politics.

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