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Louis Virtel And we’re back with an all new episode of Keep It. I’m Louis Virtel and we’ll get started on this episode. But first, I’m so sorry, Taylor, I had to do it.

 

Taylor Hale The way you really Julie Chen Moonves the shit out of me just then, it ignited something in me that I wasn’t prepared for.

 

Louis Virtel No, it reminds me of when our mutual friend, Andy Heron, who won Big Brother, when he got off the show, the first time I was talking to him, he jumped at one point because he thought he had a mic on him. Like you’re like a little, there’s trauma associated with being on this show.

 

Taylor Hale You think you have the mic on you and you think that every window is a two-way mirror or that anything mounted as a camera So you’ll start talking to it and you’re like no one no one is seeing this

 

Louis Virtel Yes, but anyway, we’re here with royalty and a legend of Big Brother and perhaps a legend of another CBS reality show coming up. This is Big Brother 24 winner, Taylor Hale, also just a friend of mine and I’m psyched to have her here just anyway.

 

Taylor Hale When I tell you this is a dream, like coming off my season, my second appearance on Keep It, I came off and I was like, I want to go on Keep It. I love the show. It is my podcast. These people are my friends in my head.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, no, fate has stepped in and it’s smiling on us, but as we said, you were also on Big Brother Reindeer Games. I was. You also, and again, are now going to be a contestant on the Amazing Race. And I have to say, these are just two completely different skill sets. Like I have weird pipe dreams of being on Big Brother myself and I would never be on the amazing race. I have no lateral sense of direction.

 

Taylor Hale Well, that’s why you have a partner, who would you do it with?

 

Louis Virtel Oh, God, well, they would do all the work. I mean, I would be giving one lighters to the camera and they would be like, Lewis, I solved the map.

 

Taylor Hale Great, so you’re doing all the work for carrying the show.

 

Louis Virtel Yes.

 

Taylor Hale You’re welcome, CVS.

 

Louis Virtel Making us a saleable pair. But has Amazing Race ever been in your purview? Like did you ever think this would be you?

 

Taylor Hale Yeah, um, it’s a funny, funny story, actually. He said, oh my God, you’re doing the E.T. Lane right now. He’s really trying to get out of me. So after Big Brother, of course, ended up in a relationship with who’s now my best friend, Joseph Abden, Joseph is also on the season of the Amazing Race. I haven’t said- But not with you. Not with me, he’s with his brother, who’s also a very close friend of mine who’s all gone on vacation. So doing the Amazing race was always something that I thought Joseph and I would end up doing together. Whether we were best friends or, you know, then partners, whatever. And when they contacted me about doing The Amazing Race, I was like, oh, finally, like, me and Jess were going to do it together. They said, no, absolutely not. No, like no, no. And they tried to keep it from all of us that it would be a Big Brother themed season in some capacity. Right, yeah. And so they were like, you have to pick someone else. And I was, like oh, okay, well, like I’d like to do with Kylan. And they’re like, no no, you can’t do it with anyone from Big Brother. So I was well, then I’m just not interested. No, thank you. And then, you know, so I was in the process, removed myself from the process. And then they circled back and they said, actually, okay, I think we might be able to make it work with you and Kyland. And so I was like, okay. Like let’s go full throttle and really commit and train and do the show.

 

Louis Virtel What does training mean? Does that mean you are like solving clues in your own time or what’s happening?

 

Taylor Hale So we we haven’t even oh my god He and I have not talked about how we’re gonna talk about this because we don’t want to go away too much

 

Louis Virtel Oh, I’m going to break through this non-media training. Non-media training.

 

Taylor Hale I know, this is new for me. I’m like having hives right now. But we went all in, like we did kayaking lessons. We both took lessons on how to drive stick shift, which was very funny in its own right. We were doing New York Times puzzles every day. We were other special apps you can download to train your math skills, your reading comprehension skills, other just like pattern recognizing skills, all these different things. What else did we do? We used chat GPT a lot. I’m sorry, I know you’re going to hate me. But we would literally travel to other cities across California and meet up with friends and race against them and like chat GPT designed amazing race style things.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, I mean that’s just so smart. I mean like I mean, like also these are things, you know, you’re preparing in good faith for it’s sort of Like if you go on Survivor like there’s certain kind of puzzles you will face You know what I mean? Like you should prepare for them when people are caught unawares on a reality show It’s like we’re on season like 77 of some of these these are like Institutions if you if you don’t if you aren’t fluent in the language of this show you look like an idiot

 

Taylor Hale Exactly. Just show up, be prepared, do your research. You don’t need to know every single thing about every single season, but know what you’re getting into. And we had so much fun and the race is very hard. I took a cartography class. I learned how to read maps when you actually go on the race. Like they don’t really give you useful maps to get around. And so you’re literally running up to people being like, I need your phone right now. And then they give you your phone. You’re like, what is this language? What does that mean? Oh, God.

 

Louis Virtel Oh God, that’s like my nightmare. Yeah, cause they give you like coloring book illustrations to work off of.

 

Taylor Hale Basically and so like let’s say you give me your phone your some other language now I’m like trying to change your phone settings to another language and then now I give you your phone back And it’s it’s just I won’t say hellish but like Communicating quickly when you have that much pressure on and you’re racing against all these people It’s it a lot and I think you’ll see a side of me that maybe you haven’t seen before I think okay seeing you being an underdog or reindeer games was a very very short form competition game Which was fun, but I’m under like a lot of stress a lot or pressure

 

Louis Virtel Even in Big Brother, during the worst moments, you were quite composed. So I’m looking forward to seeing it just unravel. You come from pageants, and I want to see the pageant past just disappear.

 

Taylor Hale No, there’s going to be a look in my eyes of just, like, everything melts away. Everything is ripped away, torn away. And I had quite a few crash outs on Port Kyland. Oh, Jesus. Okay. I’m looking forward to that. Whether or not they’ll show it, I don’t know. But yeah, there are a couple of times where I was like, it was all out there.

 

Louis Virtel Well, speaking of hellish TV and just like that just ended and I know we are both stands of the original sex in the city and I fell off in just like I just I’m not somebody who watches any TV ironically, even when I thought the show was bad. The actresses who were on the show are so amazing and so gifted in many capacities. These are, you know, Sarah Jessica Parker and Cynthia Nixon are as talented stage actresses as they are TV actresses. They could sell anything. But, the finale of this show… Clearly was not supposed to be the finale. I’ve never seen anything just abruptly end like this, with so much patter in an episode that did not matter.

 

Taylor Hale My thing is, why are we ruining sacred texts? Let’s start there. Because, and just like that never needed to happen, this could have been a mini web series, this could’ve been a podcast, it could’ve a recap of a podcast. We didn’t need to touch this. The movies were enough, please. I didn’t mean and just liked that. Even the modernization of these older women and I’m so sorry, cancel me if you want. Diversifying their friend group was not necessary because it wasn’t realistic.

 

Louis Virtel And also it didn’t add dimension to them, I don’t think.

 

Taylor Hale It flattened them.

 

Louis Virtel Which sucks in a way, but at the same time, I never thought that they should just do a podcast and that would have been better, talking about the old show and how things would have different now, as opposed to just warping the show, which is what ended up happening.

 

Taylor Hale It’s like 2025 was this fake alternate universe where they were trying to adapt these characters to that world instead of the world adapting to those characters. And it just left all of us feeling so hollow and empty. And it’s like, I don’t want to say that the fashion and the style wasn’t there in this series, but it doesn’t hit in the way that it would have with the original series. Like the partnership with the style and the fashion and the way these women moved around the world was influential on all of American culture and society. Now I think we have too much power to influence the text and the media that we’re consuming. And just like that, it didn’t move the needle, it doesn’t influence us, we influenced it too much and it just made it this hollow, empty thing. And I am so curious, what do you think the actresses were thinking when they read the scripts? Were they like, this is amazing and I love it and I have to do more of it? Or they’re just like, we don’t get this check, y’all.

 

Louis Virtel I guess, well, you know the check was very sincerely huge. Do you know how huge? Well, according to Variety, they made a million dollars an episode. So, friends, final season energy.

 

Taylor Hale Very 90s of them.

 

Louis Virtel I’m so happy they’re in their own economics.

 

Taylor Hale There’s just not good minutes in the new era by any way shape or form. No, I wanted more from them

 

Louis Virtel But I will say this about it just like that. I appreciate that it has changed the sort of boilerplate conversations we have about Sex and the City as in when the original series ended, I feel like what we were left with, even among us super fans were conversations about, oh well it’s dated in a few ways, Carrie’s unlikable, just we were having these boring, repetitive conversations that didn’t really give the show credit for how amazing it was. And now we have a whole new set of conversations about how awful the show is and it’s so much people are so much more baffled and confounded that it’s a little bit more fun.

 

Taylor Hale Oh, that’s fun for you. Well, no, that fair. I would rather no, that’s not fair, actually. I would much rather have people just look back at something that exists and say, oh, well, it’s dated or it doesn’t land this way the same way instead of me having this whole thing that I have to just hate.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, but I feel like it’s going to fade from memory though, too.

 

Taylor Hale You think this will fade from memory. I mean, it’s so bad that it sticks with you like oatmeal in perpetuity. You can’t even poop it out. It’s so.

 

Louis Virtel And by the way, there was a poop storyline on the final episode of the show.

 

Taylor Hale Which, see what I’m saying? The closest we got to a poop storyline on the original text, two opportunities. We’re probably like the peeing politician.

 

Louis Virtel John Slattery, we love you, girl.

 

Taylor Hale Truly love you, or Samantha pulling the tampon out of Carrie’s machine.

 

Louis Virtel Which these are still dignified storylines.

 

Taylor Hale Dignified storylines. We are taking these sacred characters and throwing them to the wayside and making them just like fodder for humiliation in the modern era. That’s not fair.

 

Louis Virtel The the the trek of Miranda on this show in particular too I mean I used to think like Miranda was like up, you know that bitch. Yes, and now she is

 

Taylor Hale I like how you stuttered to say bitch. Yeah, right. You’re like, I don’t know if I can do it, but I’m going to do it.

 

Louis Virtel But also if anybody is it’s Miranda. Yes. She’s like I work at the firm and I’m on the fence about having this fucking kid

 

Taylor Hale And she’s smart, sometimes stupid, but smart in her stupidity still. And now it’s just, ugh. And then I have to talk about Steve, because I do hear so many people saying in defense of Steve, in the new era and just like that era, I don’t have any defense of Steven. I don’t forgive that man. I don’t defend that man, I don ‘t stand up for that man any man, specifically him. Like Jessica’s Miranda’s doing some wacky shit. That doesn’t mean that Steve gets redeemed for everything he’s ever done.

 

Louis Virtel Right. Also, I don’t trust any man with aw-shucks energy.

 

Taylor Hale Yeah

 

Louis Virtel I’m just sorry. Everything is just like a muppet folding its arms.

 

Taylor Hale I need that to be the new Aira French accent.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, I feel the audiences have been tortured, and I don’t want to add to that.

 

Taylor Hale No, no, no. No, that was a gift.

 

Louis Virtel Okay. Thank you. Keep that forever. I’ll prime that. I’ll Prime that. All right. We got to get to the rest of our episode because it’s a packed one. First of all, we’re going to talk about the new Spike Lee movie, Highest to Lowest.

 

Taylor Hale Spiky joints.

 

Louis Virtel And in addition to that movie conversation, you’re going to convince me that I’m wrong about the movie Weapons, a movie where the conversation around it has sustained multiple weeks. So we can’t just let it go now. No, never. And you’re apparently a huge fan.

 

Taylor Hale I’m a huge fan.

 

Louis Virtel You called it 10 out of 10.

 

Taylor Hale You say that like it’s a crazy statement. I am famously terrified. It’s not I’m famously terrified of all scary movies Like a scary movie commercial comes on at 7 30 p.m. And I’m like, no no ban this actually I’m gonna write a bill and oh that won’t go well in this age I’m going to wait till we get a Democrat in leadership. Okay Go ahead. Yeah. Oh, okay. Shout out to the fascists I will start a change org petition to ban all scary movie previews on TV

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, if Wheel of Fortune is on, I can’t be watching that stuff in the middle of the day.

 

Taylor Hale You’re killing the old people. It’s elder abuse.

 

Louis Virtel Yes. Thank you. Also joining us today is the fabulous Charlie Day, who stars in the new Ethan Coen movie, Honey Don’t. He is fantastic in the movie. We, of course, also talk about It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia.

 

Taylor Hale And comedy in general, he’s got probably the best opinions I’ve heard in a very long time.

 

Louis Virtel Yes. Provocative, and yet also so, um… Charming. Rake-ish. Yeah, yes. Lovely man. And then we’ll also discuss another movie Taylor and I are huge fans of. The movie Clue is celebrating its 40th anniversary. We’re talking about how we’d recast it if it were made today, and just why this movie has such a chokehold, I guess on millennials, but really a whole demographic of people and why we want to constantly rewatch the movie. Taylor sent me a screenshot. Oh my god. The screenings are coming back to theaters of Clue. And of course, you know, Clue has three endings. She is seeing all three screenings of this movie. One day in a row. Like your week is set.

 

Taylor Hale It is. You know I love being alone, though. Oh, I love watching a movie. And I invited you. Yes. Are you not honored? No, you’re not because you said no.

 

Louis Virtel I actually just thought recently with my family because we have a disease where we have to keep watching it

 

Taylor Hale Oh, okay, I understand. Yeah, right. I’m sure they’re lovely, but like, I don’t need to see that with a group of white people. No, oh, I’m, sure, I am, sure.

 

Louis Virtel So that’s our episode and we will be right back with more Keep It. From the creator of BoJack Horseman comes a new comedy that blends humor and heartbreak, Long Story Short. It’s all about family and all the ups and downs that come with it. Long Story short brings the same sharp, heartfelt storytelling that will hit a little too close to home. If you’ve ever had a family or tried to escape one, this show is for you. Watch Long Story, Short August 22nd only on Netflix. Spike Lee and Denzel Washington are reunited and it feels so good. Their fifth joint together, highest to lowest, throughout Friday. Today we’re gonna get into all of our thoughts, wants, criticisms. So Taylor, before we get into this film, would you consider yourself a Spike Lee fan?

 

Taylor Hale See, I didn’t walk in here to get my black card taken. This is, can I, Ashton, like, this is a setup.

 

Louis Virtel I fold my arms too, like I’m waiting for it.

 

Taylor Hale I cannot say I am not a Spike Lee fan, like that doesn’t make any sense to me to not be a Spike lee fan. But I have to be fully, fully transparent here. My movie consumption and enjoyment era did not start until I moved to LA. Oh, really? Yes. So like going to the movie theaters, enjoying movies, growing up with movies, that’s not really something that was in my veins or in my blood. Like I started going to movies because I moved here and I got bored, right? And so my movies that I like tend to be very, very old school, 40s, 50s, 60s, 40s and 50s movies. You’re on the right podcast. Yes, I know. Which is why I listened to this before I ever got here. Love you much. So am I Spike Lee fan? Yes, I enjoy his movies. Do I remember all the specific quotes, all these big moments in culture? Not necessarily. I was traumatized by I do the right thing.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, how so?

 

Taylor Hale That final scene?

 

Louis Virtel I just the actual nature of the movie

 

Taylor Hale How so?

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, there’s a lot that goes on in that movie.

 

Taylor Hale My introduction to police brutality. Yeah, right sure sure. So that was my oh, okay social commentary is real here And that I won’t say it opened up or awakened my experience of social injustice I’m a black girl that grew up in Detroit, Michigan like I saw with my own eyes, but that was a moment where it just felt like a Conversation was meant to had and I don’t know that when I was watching that movie I was exactly ready to engage in that conversation. So I would dabble in and out with the Spike Lee movies, but you know later growing up, that’s when I started to be like, okay, I have time to appreciate this a little more.

 

Louis Virtel Something I love about him is, usually when he makes a movie, it ends up being a juxtaposition of a couple of different genres. Like I watched School Days recently, which stars Lawrence Fishburne. I think he was Larry Fishburn in those days. But first of all, in that movie, three different, a different world cast members are in it. It’s just shocking to see them move from one, like…

 

Taylor Hale One college to another college.

 

Louis Virtel But there are musical sequences in that movie, in addition to it being about social commentary near the end. Do the Right Thing, of course, has lots of funny scenes, in addition it being unbelievably brutal and literally leaving you with questions at the end, the new movie, Highest to Lowest, this is a movie that starts off feeling like it’s going to be more of a social commentary than it is, like you sort of feel like it’s gonna be a class-themed movie. Based on the conversations Denzel Washington who plays this music mogul and His rich family are having but then eventually it sort of turns into a conventional thriller like somebody’s kidnapped and he tries to get them back And at the end he has a conversation with the the person who does the kidnapping that Sort of verges on you think highest to Lois has something to do with the economics or whatever But it’s actually just more of like an entertaining pleasing movie that it is. I think one of his most import heavy movies. So I would say this is like a good three star movie.

 

Taylor Hale Okay, we got to work on your ranking systems for stars and we’ll get into that.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, that’s true. Yeah, I need to be kind of taken down a peg because I am only getting more angry about it

 

Taylor Hale An old, angry white man. Wow! Call Armie’s talk a surprise.

 

Louis Virtel I got called old today, moving on.

 

Taylor Hale Congratulations! I can barely see your crown. What are they called?

 

Louis Virtel This woman. It’s fine.

 

Taylor Hale You’re welcome. You need someone to take you down a peg. I’m here. I will always humble you. Never doubt that. Here’s the thing with this movie. I think the opening shots are just like so interesting and beautiful to me. You see the Basquiat on the wall. You see this stunning shot of Brooklyn. It made me want to move to Brooklyn. I think a little bit of what you’re saying is there cannot be a movie that exists or a piece of media that exists about black people who are wealthy without it inherently being social commentators.

 

Louis Virtel Yes, right.

 

Taylor Hale And there are some conversations that happen there’s like an interesting conversation between the son and the dad of social media as well like

 

Louis Virtel Yes, that gets into the movie, too. You sort of think it’s going to be an indictment of like TikTok culture and who gets famous for what reasons and stuff.

 

Taylor Hale And stuff. But I also think it’s interesting seeing intergenerational black wealth and what value is attributed to what, right? So like the dad is out here and he needs to be investing in his business, protecting his empire and all that thing, all those things, but his son is now inadvertently being blamed for his best friend being kidnapped. Right. And so he’s having that conversation with his dad being like, this is something you have to engage with. I can’t just carry this weight. You created this monster, but there’s another thing that I’m now upholding responsible for, we have to engage in this. So that question of responsibility, blackness, wealth, it’s all inherently tied into the movie. And I do, I agree with you when you say, okay, like it kind of abandons that a little bit towards the back half of the movie, but when you’re first doing a lot of the exposition, it is like, I am fully seated for this to be the social commentary throughout the entire movie.

 

Louis Virtel And I thought that part of the first act of the movie was really interesting, because by the way, Denzel Washington then gets to act his ass off. You know, there’s a lot of like, philosophical kind of quandaries on his mind, like who is he going to protect and when. Basically, he thinks his son gets kidnapped, and it turns out to be his godson who does. The kidnapper mistook one for the other. And initially, he was going to throw down the 17.5. Even to just watch the movie. The 17.5 million ransom he was gonna throw down for his kid and then he has to consider wait would I do the same thing for my godson and then He has people in his ear about whether he should do it whether he shouldn’t and then There’s ramifications for when he does make the decision like for his business and stuff So it’s sort of fascinating like it’s this like Kerplunk energy of the marbles are falling the greatest millennial game before it turns into a more traditional thriller. And I have to say.

 

Taylor Hale KerPlunk for your life!

 

Louis Virtel I fucking love that game and by the way could it have been broker? I mean it was just sticks and marbles

 

Taylor Hale Yeah, well, I mean, poor people have to have fun too.

 

Louis Virtel I was living it up, please. But when it becomes a thriller, it almost gets a little bit Hitchcockian because there’s like the feds have to like drive through this parade where they can’t get, and that’s where like people like Rosie Perez, obviously a Spike Lee vet reappears. Anthony Ramos is in the parade. That felt sort of classically Hitchcockian. But then by the end, it reminded me of Hitchock in a bad way, which is to say a major action sequence, the crux of the film, ends on a train, and then it’s just suddenly over. Which reminds me of North by Northwest, where Cary Grant has to pull up Eva Marie Saint from peril, and it just transitions to them in bed together. It’s just like, what? Hitchcock just got bored with this scene or something?

 

Taylor Hale I kind of miss the old school. This is so completely off, but I miss that very, very, very old damsel tied to a train track and she’s, hey, hey. Can we put that in movies again? That a-

 

Louis Virtel That accent, too.

 

Taylor Hale And that specific accent, like it’s so out of place and like the call for distress is so aggressive. You’re giving me like a look of confusion and anger.

 

Louis Virtel Normally now we have to humanize the lady character and know about her backstory, which is the worst. I don’t need to know that. But truly it’s like a damsel is just a screaming person and every once in a while I just want to hear, you know, someone out there losing.

 

Taylor Hale Somewhere out there losing.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, she’s like, I bet I need help. That’s it.

 

Taylor Hale I question your mind sometimes.

 

Louis Virtel You know?

 

Taylor Hale Even when you’re in agreements with me, it’s phenomenal. You feel bad. I feel bad?

 

Louis Virtel No, no, I see what you’re saying. No, do you ever meet somebody who has the same, like, hobbies and interests you do, but it makes you almost hate them? Like, like their take on it is so like, this makes me upset.

 

Taylor Hale Because when you’re wrong, I’m not going to spend my time investing in you unless I care about you, which is why we need to talk about weapons.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, yes. Okay, getting into the contentious part of this conversation. So, Weapons, which is a horror movie. And by the way, some people claim it’s not. This is a horror movie!

 

Taylor Hale It is a horror movie. I did walk out of the theater the first time because I went to the premiere. Were you there? No.

 

Louis Virtel Okay, this woman.

 

Taylor Hale I don’t know what it is. It’s the belittling hour. What is it with me today? I don’t know. Maybe I am as mean as people think I am.

 

Louis Virtel Oh my god. I remember the commenters. I should have jumped right in. You really should have. This could have been Voice of the People.

 

Taylor Hale No, I was at the premiere. I was terrified, shaking in my boots. I don’t do scary, I don’t do horror. Like I said, 7.30 p.m. Like it’s elder abuse, you’re shown the horror movie previews. I remember what you said. Yes, yes, you’ll never forget it. So, when I somehow got invited to this premiere, I should not have been there. I’m literally, my knees are knocking. I’m holding the hands because I was the first person to be there, like an idiot. I’m the first to walk this lovely carpet. Yeah. I’m holding the hands of the press and marketing people. I’m like, is it scary? Am I gonna be okay? This is my first scary movie I’ve ever seen in a theater. And they looked at me. They had this whole activation of like the weapons, children were sleeping on desks and then they had a Alex character with a clown face on. He would sit up every few minutes. Oh.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, okay. Already scary.

 

Taylor Hale Already scary so they had me sit there when everyone’s heads were down and then the kid put his head up And they said you should look over your shoulder. I look over my shoulder, and I’m traumatized Yeah, and so I’m holding the hand still walking through this whole exhibit because nothing can just be premier anymore There has to be an activation there, and they say okay go upstairs. Have fun. So what do you mean have fun? And I was like is it scary like it’s kind of like a haunted house I was Like what are people gonna jump out at me? They’re like just go upstairs and see what happens I’m not fucking doing that I stood at the bottom of the stairs for 25 minutes as more people came in. I waited for people to go upstairs and come back down. I said, is it OK? And three people came down and looked at me and said, good luck.

 

Louis Virtel Oh my God. And by the way, this is at a movie premiere. A movie premiere! Like, how bad could it honestly be?

 

Taylor Hale I thought it was going to be miserable and so I pussied up and these two lovely queer men held my hand and they said it’s gonna be fine and I walked upstairs and it was just a dark hallway with mirrors, which is perfect for me because I’m the most vain narcissistic person you’ll ever meet in your life. Well also it’s a public event in a movie for me.

 

Louis Virtel In a movie premiere. You want to look cute.

 

Taylor Hale Yeah, I was so hot that night. So I walked down the hallway if you have seen weapons You remember the scene of Alex’s parents sitting on the couch staring at nothing at the end of the hallway It was just two paid actors with frizzy white people here looking into a TV. They didn’t move. They don’t do anything They just sat there the whole time

 

Louis Virtel looking like an art installation.

 

Taylor Hale Yes, and so what did I do? I posed. I served.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, wow. I took photos. That was your survival instinct.

 

Taylor Hale It was, and then I- Angles. Angles… So I walked down to the theater, I’ve made friends now, I’m going to sit with them, right? Wrong. Movie screenings. Generally, you can just sit wherever you like. I had friends before the premiere tell me, sit in the back, sit on the side, so you don’t feel fully immersed in the movie. Yeah, right. It’s your first scary movie. I said, great, I’ll do that. I walk in, I find the new friends I’ve met sitting in the background, I said great, can’t wait to sit in with you guys. They said, what’s your seat number?

 

Louis Virtel No.

 

Taylor Hale I said, huh? A lovely usher walks up to me and says, can I see your ticket? I hand her the ticket. She goes, come with me. She walks me four aisles from the front and dead center.

 

Louis Virtel Wow, you’re like you’re beneath the weapon.

 

Taylor Hale I am the weapon, I have become the weapon. And I am there by myself because there were three people that didn’t show up to my right and two people that didn’t show up my left.

 

Louis Virtel So you’re actually a part of everybody else’s theatrical experience. I think I can see you sitting by yourself.

 

Taylor Hale Yes, yes. And if they saw that, it was like watching a scary movie. I was Regina Hall just like, uh-uh, no, no. I was the stereotype and I owned it. So here’s what I will say about Weapons. Leaving that theater, leaving that experience, I was skipping and giddy because that is not just one of the best movies I’ve seen lately. It is one of my top 10 movies.

 

Louis Virtel Really? I know. Yes. Now why do you think it exceeded expectations? Like what about it is elevated to you?

 

Taylor Hale I expected this to be straight jumpscares and horror and doom and gloom the entire time. Remember at the previews, you’re watching children running through the night. Possessed children running though the night!

 

Louis Virtel And I just want to say the way they’re running is gay. The arms? Like I thought that would be the mystery. Who are these gay children? And where are they going?

 

Taylor Hale Maybe we should keep children away from gay people. That’s right. I see your agenda. You are.

 

Louis Virtel You are you you are I recoded now

 

Taylor Hale This said, it seems like a movie of possession and terror and just all the terrible things. We even saw Alex with the clown face. You’re thinking that he is going to be an evil person, a possessed person this entire movie. There is a little bit of gore, there is violence, there is mystery, but there is also so much humor. And every moment where you are faced with probably the worst jump scare, gore horror, Thriller tension it’s immediately relieved by comedy. Yeah. And that made this movie perfect to me. Even in that final, you know, big mashup scene where you’ve got the possessed people fighting in the house against the two people trying to save the day, that scene of the druggy getting tossed around back and forth, that ra-doosh, ra-dosh. I’m cracking up and this is supposed to be the climax of the movie.

 

Louis Virtel Great performance by him, by the way, Austin Abrams. Actually, I mean, I cannot knock any of the performances in the movie, nor can I knock the style of it. Because you’re very like, in this movie’s grasp the entire time. It’s not that it’s not entertaining for me. I just felt that even though the comedy was largely effective, and I mean the climactic scene, and I’m now fully spoiling the movie and I know people probably still want to see weapons. It’s been out for like three weeks. I know. Right, you’re listening to a podcast where we have to do this, I’m just saying. Where Amy Madigan as this witch character, who is like responsible for the disappearances, is chased down by all these possessed kids for whom the spell has been reversed. That was very funny, but it just felt to me like not a satisfying way to end a story about children have disappeared. I just felt like it was sort of a serious, I don’t want to say serious movie, like you know it’s a horror movie, but it was like Highest to Lowest, entertaining, I think, bigger questions and then ended up being… Fun entertainment i don’t know and like i’m not saying i didn’t laugh i’m not saying I didn’t jump at the jump scares

 

Taylor Hale I didn’t, because I covered-

 

Louis Virtel my face. Yeah.

 

Taylor Hale You knew they were coming, so I was just like, nope, not now. And then I hear everyone screaming, like, okay, I’m good now, I am safe. Which is another reason why you should watch the movie. If you don’t like scary things, you can tell when that moment will come, it’s alleviated, and you keep going. Anyway, you made it.

 

Louis Virtel Anyway, I will say it’s a subversion to put that much comedy of it because nothing in the movie early on Indicates that it will be going for that big of a laugh later on even though there are lines where I’m Julia Garner for instance Gets a scattershot laugh here and there what the way the movie turns is pretty surprising. It’s just thematically, I wanted more from the movie. And actually, more from the reason the kids were taken away and stuff. Just, I felt like you could add a witch to any movie. Like, I feel like you can take the third act away from Get Out and add a Witch. You know, it just didn’t feel like a potential.

 

Taylor Hale Were they not witches?

 

Louis Virtel Was there a metaphor in that movie I missed? No, probably a few if we’re getting into it. I really need to reinvestigate the text. That said, I am sort of feeling like Amy Madigan in this movie is sort of in the Oscars conversation. People are that impressed with her. What did you think of that performance?

 

Taylor Hale I’m not going to sit here and say it’s not an Oscar-worthy performance, but I just don’t know how much weight the Oscars are going to give to a horror performance.

 

Louis Virtel It would be an anomaly.

 

Taylor Hale It would and we didn’t see her for that much of the movie acting. Yeah So like it’s got a hill to climb over especially considering who else could be in that conversation

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, right.

 

Taylor Hale That said I do love that everything I’ve seen of this diva this divas an icon. I hear her backstory I love all the content I’ve been seeing around it because we don’t really get that in a horror and I say this as someone Who’s freshly minted into the whole space of watching these movies and let me tell you when it rains it pours I’m going to another horror movie premiere tonight

 

Louis Virtel Oh wow.

 

Taylor Hale How did that happen?

 

Louis Virtel Well, you know, it’s a little bit like I used to be terrified of roller coasters. And then the minute I liked one, it became an addiction, you know, like, like you’re so surprised it could speak to you that you’re like, Oh, I must be missing something.

 

Taylor Hale We’re learning more about Lewis’ addictive personality, friends, so keep him away from certain substances.

 

Louis Virtel I’m going to Six Flags this weekend, so the addiction will be fed.

 

Taylor Hale But let us stop there.

 

Louis Virtel My thing is sometimes all you need for a supporting nomination, namely for women, is the acting has to be there, but it really sometimes is about an iconic look. Like, Alice and Janie and I, Tonya, I think a huge part of that win is, you remember how that woman looked. She has the bird on her shoulder, the crazy haircut, the crazy glasses, the cigarette, and it’s as iconic as it is well acted. And this woman in this movie, you can’t forget the look. If you remember think about Jamie Lee Curtis winning for everything everywhere all at once. Was that really an acting triumph? No, it was about a look

 

Taylor Hale Don’t take that away from her.

 

Louis Virtel Are you, do you stand that performance?

 

Taylor Hale I don’t really stand anything about that movie and this I’m ready. I mean, I don’t either. Yeah, but I will give you I just I give Jamie Lee Curtis everything. I really do

 

Louis Virtel She was good in Freakier Friday. She’s the rare celebrity who I think is both rad and unbelievably annoying. I don’t, you can’t predict what you’re gonna get from her and that actually is a testament to how cool in a way she is.

 

Taylor Hale I love her charming tit offensive that’s happening right now. In the promo, it’s just like it’s all bosom and I would love to rest my weary head inside that.

 

Louis Virtel We’re all pretty weary, yeah. So I’m interested in what happens with Amy Madigan on that front. But okay, so you’re saying… You’re wrong, is what I’m saying. I think what you’re seeing is this is a non-horror fan’s horror delight.

 

Taylor Hale Yes, it is and you will be all the things that you are too afraid to see as a non-horror fan I’m looking you down the eyes and I’m speaking to the entire world all the Things that you were too afraid too engaged with You will do it with glee and delight with this movie even the jump scares on my third time seeing this movie Yes, I did see it three times. I did Open up my fingers when I was looking I was like maybe I can handle it now because I’ve seen what this character now Looks like I can hand all the scarier moments and you know, I have not had nightmares Which is not something that ever happens to me

 

Louis Virtel No, it’s nice that you got a growth moment out of this, never thought it would happen.

 

Taylor Hale I mean I never grow, I never change.

 

Louis Virtel Okay, so that’s that. We’ll be right back with more Keep It, but before that, some quick housekeeping.

 

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Louis Virtel This week’s guest is a comedy powerhouse, best known for anchoring the longest-running live-action sitcom, It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia, and starring in blockbusters like Horrible Bosses and the Super Mario Bros. Movie He Is Luigi. Now he’s returning to the big screen in Honey Don’t, playing opposite Margaret Qualley, Aubrey Plaza, and Chris Evans. Please welcome to Keep It the fabulous Charlie Day.

 

Charlie Day Hey, you know what’s funny about being Luigi? Like kids, like little kids are super excited to meet Luigi, right? Like someone’s parents will be like, hey, that guy’s Luigi. But they expect to see the actual cartoon character. So there’s always like a little like disappointment where they’re like, well, what do you mean this weird dude is Luigi? You know, like, I don’t know what to tell you kid, it’s a whole process of just talking into a microphone. I was just

 

Louis Virtel I was just hearing from some voice actress that what she does is she tells the kid to like turn around and then she does the voice, which I think is actually worse. Isn’t that scarier? Like, let me be a ghost for you.

 

Taylor Hale That’s uncomfortable. Let me be a ghost for you is hilarious.

 

Charlie Day I don’t give the children any commands, I wouldn’t recommend that.

 

Louis Virtel So, Honey Don’t is the second in this trilogy from Ethan Coen and his wife Tricia Cook. When you went to set knowing you’d be in a Coen brother movie, what were your expectations and how did it differ from what you thought you’d encounter?

 

Charlie Day Well, that was the funny thing where I was expecting some sort of different magic, right? Because we all, I don’t know anyone who doesn’t like at least one Coen brother movie. I happen to like almost all of them. And I’ve seen most of them multiple times. So I was curious how they went about it. Is there some sort different process? But then you get there and you say, well. It’s all sort of the same thing, you know, you set the camera up over here, the person stands over there, then you turn around and you shoot the other side. I think the magic is just in their writing and their sort of idiosyncratic senses of humor. And so, you now, on set, it was pretty ordinary, except that I kept getting weirded out because every time I would like look over at the director if I was off camera, waiting for him to cue me to say a line or what have you, I was like, wow, that’s… That’s Ethan Cohen. That’s one of the Cohen brothers right there. And I’d have to remember, you know, that I’m supposed to act.

 

Taylor Hale Well, you’re no stranger to working with big names in the industry, but some of the names on this movie were, or excuse me, film. I’ll use film in this instance, but some of the things in this film were more we’re used to seeing them in more dramatic or action spaces. Chris Evans being one of them. What was it like with your chops in comedy coming into the space and working on what was really a dark comedy now?

 

Charlie Day Yeah, that’s a good question. I mean, there’s always a little sense of, you know, how dialed up do they want things comedically. You know, there are certain styles of comedy where you could maybe lean into the absurdness of a character a little bit more and sort of play things just slightly above real. But I don’t know, my fallback is like, Let’s just pee. Real first and foremost, and hopefully the words are funny and the situation is funny. And then, I don’t know, I think I just must like look or sound funny because half the time people say, hey, that was really funny. I wasn’t even trying to be funny. So, you know, uh, I dunno, it’s, I, think the job is always, interestingly, like every job is a little bit different, you know? Different people and different, uh… Set of circumstances and then every job always sort of boils down to the same thing which is you know it’s my job between action to cut to just pretend I’m whatever character I’m playing and that’s sort of as simple as that you know.

 

Louis Virtel But how often do you actually crave a new experience on a set because it sounds like it’s always sunny. Not only do you obviously have a familiar dynamic with everybody, you guys fight in a familiar way. Like you say the best episodes come when you fight and I assume when you go into a new space it’s not really about fighting with the people you just met. So is it a pleasure to kind of embark upon a different creative process with new people or are you like, but I’m already good at this other thing, why do I have to do that?

 

Charlie Day Well, no, I love going into it in a whole other set of circumstances. And the best of those versions are working with someone like Ethan and Trish, where I don’t really have to do much of anything other than what I’m there to do, right? So maybe on a small independent film with a first-time director, there might be a little bit more involvement or pressure on me, But. You know, working with the Coen brothers, it’s sort of like, well, I do my bit and then just get the heck out of the way, which is the greatest feeling. You know, when it’s always sunny, that’s always like, well, if people don’t like the episode, there’s no one to blame but us. You know? And when I’m just acting in someone else’s movie, that’s a little bit of a relief, where I say, well if they don’t the movie, it’s not my fault.

 

Taylor Hale There’s so much comedic relief that your character specifically brings into this film. And personally, I’ve been craving so much more comedy in movies. And we’ve even heard you say in other interviews that that’s something you’ve been craving. I think we’ve all been craving it. What do you think about comedy in this day and age in the movie theater? Have you seen films like The Naked Gun? And what do you about that?

 

Charlie Day I just went. I went on Sunday, and that was, I guess, the second weekend of its run. And it was a packed theater. And it was so fun to watch a funny movie in a packed theater. And you know, a really great thing happens where everyone starts laughing together. And sometimes you might even laugh harder at a joke that you don’t even find all funny because you’re just in in the you know the excitement of the group and and the moment uh and that happened several times in that movie where i was like oh you know here’s some jokes i love and i’m dying and here’s ones that maybe i even missed the joke and i just was laughing anyway then i had to ask my wife like wait what were they going for and then she was going to explain it to me and i was like oh right right right i missed the one little moment but i mean that movie too right From the beginning, there’s a great joke where the… They have a robbery and they steal a gadget. And then the guy sort of wipes the front of the gadget and the gadget says plot device. And I was like, all right, I’m fully in. So look, I love that experience. I’m not a huge horror fan, although I think that’s what people get out of a good horror movie. I think what I saw like get out in the theater, we were all laughing and jumping and screaming at the same time and that was really fun. You know, the big action movies, or the superhero movies, you can understand why an audience feels as though they wanna watch that in the theater for the pure scale of it. And I, you know, something was really lost when we stopped going to the comedy movies, or at least when we stop thinking that people wanted to go to the comedies movies. But I hope, I really hope that they find a way to stay alive in the theaters, because… For me, that’s my preferred theatrical experience. I think I’d rather go see something funny or something the Coen brothers do, which is always funny, or even like, you know, even Paul Thomas Anderson, like those movies can be heavy, but also funny the whole way through. So I, you now, I go to that theater to laugh as much as anything else.

 

Louis Virtel Do you have a seminal movie going experience with a comedy that sort of set you in motion making you realize like, oh, comedies belong in the theater? Like I remember as a kid, like when Ace Ventura came out and you’re nine years old, that is the perfect thing to experience in a theater because you are allowed to simply scream, which is what kids want to do, you know.

 

Charlie Day Yeah, yeah, Dumb and Dumber was like that for sure, seeing that at the theater. Even, I remember being pretty young going to see The Three Amigos, and we were all just dying, laughing in the theater at that, and then, I mean, everything from the, like Will Ferrell’s Whole Heyday, it was Elf, and Hangover when that came out, and it was so fun getting to do the Horrible Bosses movies, and, you know, I sometimes I’ll say I feel like Indiana Jones sliding under the wall and grabbing his hat right at the last second, just having been in a few big budget comedy movies before they stopped making them. But I’m hoping they’re inching their way back into the theater.

 

Taylor Hale Well, Charlie, I think you’re even pointing to something that we’re seeing, even with weapons and spoiler alert. Sorry, everyone. But weapons has so many comedic beats in it. So I think even if you aren’t going to the theater specifically for a comedy, we’re seeing comedy creep up into so many different genres. And it’s just speaking to the demand that all of us have to want to see that big budget, full on unabashed approach to to desire for comedy.

 

Charlie Day Yeah, I think so and even if you look at the naked gun and you know, it’s done. Okay. I think people are seeing it The reviews are great That’s not even two big comedy stars, you know That’s Liam Neeson and Pam Anderson who are both great in the movie so You know you you have to sort of wonder if you give me a really big laugh-out-loud funny movie starring Zack Galifianakis I’m there I’m seated, you you know So I I do hope Also, I think just as a society, you know, the great thing about comedy is it’s a real unifier where you can watch a drama or something and you don’t know whether you’re having the same experience as someone else in the theater, but you can be on whatever side of, let’s say, any sort of theoretical or political aisle you want to be on. If you’re sitting in the theater and laughing together, you’re all brought together. . That’s a little bit hoity-toity, but like, you know, I do think it helps our society to give people opportunities to come together as a group and laugh. It seems crazy to me to not give them a shot.

 

Louis Virtel I brought up before how you guys at It’s Always Sunny will often fight about scenes, both have extremely strong instincts about how it’s written, about how its performed. And my question is, what are you most ardent about defending? Like is it a visual thing you’re defending? Is it like the wording of a joke? What do you find yourself sort of most crusading to keep as you envision it?

 

Charlie Day Oh, that’s a really good question. I think it’s usually more story things and tonal things. I think our biggest arguments come over tone and the reality of maybe a character doing something in a story, or even just the types of episodes we’re going to do, you have a lot of throwback episodes that really feel like our older episodes, like one at a dog track and one with an ambulance with their EMTs. And then we have these big crossover things like Abbott Elementary and The Golden Bachelor. And I think one of the arguments that came up in this room was how many of those to do and with some people pushing to do more of them and some people to pushing to less of them. Those are the types of arguments that come up, more than like specific jokes or moments. Sort of the bigger, grander ideas where it’s like, well, what is the show now, or what is an episode, or how far away are we getting from what we used to do, and how much do we have to push to keep growing? Those kind of big ideas are the ones that we wrestle with the most, I think.

 

Taylor Hale Well, It’s Always Sunny is now officially the longest-running comedy on TV. What is something that you haven’t done yet that you are dying to do? Is it something so ambitious that you’re afraid to even bring it up or you’ve been fighting for it for years and you’re just like, come on guys, it’s time. We’ve been around, we have the chops, let’s just do it.

 

Charlie Day Well, to FX’s credit, there really is no sort of bridge too far. You know, they have really let us do pretty much anything we want to do, whether it’s a film noir episode, or, you know, skiing down a mountain, or these crossovers. All the big ideas, they let us go there. It’s, I think it’s more like. The people and the performers, you know, where it’s like, oh, it would be great to have, I’m just throwing out a random name, John Totoro, you now, on the show or something. You know, I think those are the sort of things where it is like, oh, before it’s too late, I wonder if we could get some of our acting heroes on the shows. But in terms of like the story ideas, I don’t know what’s left. You know? Being underwater or going to space or something like that.

 

Louis Virtel That sounds feasible to be honest, so I mean you say it as if it couldn’t happen.

 

Taylor Hale It sounds like a Magic School Bus crossover.

 

Louis Virtel I’m sorry.

 

Charlie Day There you go, that’s right, an innerspace season.

 

Louis Virtel Um, who is likelier to surprise you while you’re acting alongside them? The people on It’s Always Sunny or people when you do other movies?

 

Charlie Day Oh, the people on Always Sunny, right? Really? Yeah. Yes, I think so, because when I’m doing another movie, I have no expectations about the performer. But if suddenly Glenn does something that I know him so well, and if suddenly he does something that I never expected or seen or thought that he might do, or Rob does it, or Danny or Caitlin, it really throws me. And then I’m tickled and I laugh so easily. I also have to be a little bit more professional on someone else’s set, you know? But on our own set, if somebody does something that’s totally surprising and unexpected, I mean, and I have that sort of permission to lose it, I often do.

 

Taylor Hale But look, if you’ll allow me to get a little meta here, you’re in the middle of a press run for this movie now. It’s a grind, right? The press, all the junket, it’s a crazy grind, all these different questions, all these crazy things you have to do, like eating hot wings or doing all these game shows and all these things. What would your ideal interview setup look like in the modern age?

 

Charlie Day Well, you know, I, I actually like where press is going, you know, um, the sort of traditional talk show experience, uh, it’s fun because of the history of it. And you’re saying, Oh, I’m going on Conan or I’m going on Letterman or something. And, uh that that’s exciting. Uh, because it’s like a performance and a show, but the actual sort of meat of the interaction, the quality of the exchange isn’t that deep. It can’t be that deep because there’s just not enough time and they have to have a quick viral moment. But in the world of podcasting and streaming where we can really have the time to get in depth and have a meaningful conversation, I find it both refreshing to do and refreshing to listen to. I mean, some of the, my, my favorite pieces of entertainment in the last 20 years have been some great podcast or interview that someone has given where I’ve gotten a real sort of inside look at this person. So I I’m liking this direction. No, personally, I don’t feel like I need to eat a bucket chicken wings to have a good interview. And incidentally, I was on that show pretty early on before I had any clue. Sometimes I do these things and I don’t vet everything. I just say, yeah, go ahead, put me on whatever. And then I get there and I’m like, what am I doing? I’m eating chicken wings. Like, I gotta be a little more careful before I get shot out of a cannon or something.

 

Taylor Hale That could be the next viral moment, I think you want to hang on to that one. Again, stop saying these things out.

 

Louis Virtel Out loud. They are possible. And yeah, right.

 

Charlie Day Yeah, right, right.

 

Louis Virtel I guess my last question is, you and the cast of that show and the people who write it, you must be some of the most perpetually inspired people on the planet, that this show can keep going. I know I’ve heard you say before, after every season, you feel like you’re done, but you somehow get wrapped up in it again. But are you shocked to be inspired or do you just have an organic way to keep finding new things to think about and write about.

 

Charlie Day No, I’m always shocked. Every year I go in and I think this started like season three. So 17 is a joke, but like we’re like, well, we did it. We did all the ideas. We did. All the jokes. What are we going to do? So much of it is the chemistry of people. I think the season, season 17 is one of the best we’ve done in years. And that’s because a lot of our writers that sort of were with us through the bulk of the early days came back. These are people who sort of, I’ll say we launched careers, I think I can say that, which is it was like a lot of their first writing jobs and they’ve gone on to work on other shows or even create shows. And last year we managed to get most of them back and it just sort of felt like the band was back together again. And it’s that getting together with the people that make you laugh that that’s what’s inspiring. So it’s sort of group communal think that, you know, We get in that room and all of a sudden. Somebody here has a story about their father, somebody there saw something on the street the other day and the creative juices get flowing and next thing you know, we got a season. So I think it’s really that meeting of people that just makes show what it is.

 

Louis Virtel Thank you for visiting with us today and also just it’s crazy to think about how long you’ve physically been on TV Like you are in the annals with people like Vanna White now. It’s so crazy

 

Charlie Day It’s weird for me, you know, it’s weird for me. I mean, I was a pretty young man when we started the show and I’m getting old. But and it’s weird watching the show where we’re like, wow, we just all looks like such old people now. But it’s also like the greatest gift ever just to be like, oh, man, I’ve been in people’s living rooms for 20 years, which is like really a great, a great sweet thing. So. Yeah, I’m gonna I’m going to try to keep working, you know, until they kick me out of this business.

 

Louis Virtel We’ll encourage that. Yeah, we’re gonna say do it.

 

Charlie Day Absolutely. I thank you. I appreciate it.

 

Louis Virtel Thanks so much for being here, Charlie.

 

Charlie Day Thanks, Charlie. That was really easy. Thanks a lot.

 

Louis Virtel Thank you to Charlie Day. Honey Don’t hits theaters this weekend. When we’re back, it’s more Keep It.

 

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Louis Virtel Taylor and I are huge fans of Clue, so in honor of the film’s 40th anniversary and return to theaters, we’re gonna revisit the cult classic, then reimagine it for the modern era. First of all, Taylor, we’re 40 years into Clue’s legacy. Why are you still so into this, and why is seemingly everybody within our age group, everybody in their 30s?

 

Taylor Hale Oh, okay. Well, so we’re in the same age group. I remember that sometimes.

 

Louis Virtel Don’t burst into tears. I won’t.

 

Taylor Hale I won’t it’s fine. It’s fine I’ll live I’ll be happy about it I guess but I just adore this movie. It can’t be it’s goofy. It silly it takes that that idea of Oh, we are lost somewhere in a storied mansion. You have to figure something else out, but you’re here for a dinner party But everyone’s a mystery what’s happening and everyone has a secret? I also love so much of the actual text of this movie. Everyone is connected somehow through Washington DC. I went to college in DC. I like to think that I’m all smarty-tarty because I was around important DC people for like three years of my life. But there’s a senator’s wife, there’s somebody who works in the government. Like it’s so interconnected and flaunted through wealth and access and sex. This movie is funny and stupid and goofy and it removes us from the seriousness of everyday life. There’s also queer…

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, uh, Mr. Green, yeah.

 

Taylor Hale Yes, Mr. Green is gay. It’s so fun. This entire movie is just a good time. And something about the stickiness of this movie, I can’t exactly put my finger on why everyone loves it and won’t let it go. But it is something that can be remade time and time again. Because let me tell you something. The movie I can watch over and over again. I could probably tell you on one hand how many times I played the board game. Right. I don’t give a shit about that board game!

 

Louis Virtel No, it’s also not really a good game. You’re like just spending time moving from room to room, eliminating a room or a weapon one at a time.

 

Taylor Hale No, this is like playing mafia in real life and watching mafia happen in real life. And look at where we are now. The big brother is basically like clue in the big brother house. Traders is just like playing clue with all your favorite reality TV personalities.

 

Louis Virtel And by the way, if they remade Clue, I mean, I think Alan Cumming as Wadsworth would basically make the most sense. That’s not even inspired at this point, but that energy, you know what I mean? Proves that this is sort of an eternal vibe.

 

Taylor Hale Trader’s movie.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, I mean, I don’t hate the idea. You know what else I think is great about Clue? I think it’s the rare, first of all, 80s movie that doesn’t feel like it’s in the 80s. You know, like it takes place in the 50s and there’s not many demarcations Of the era in which it was made. So it doesn’t seem dated. And then secondly, it’s also an American comedy that to me feels quite British. You know, like even like the zaniest line readings have like a drollness to them.

 

Taylor Hale Mmmhmm

 

Louis Virtel You know, so there’s like a light sophistication that we don’t normally don’t get from like a comedy, even though it’s also just a whiz bang zany movie.

 

Taylor Hale It’s incredible. Husbands should be like Kleenex. Soft, strong, disposable. Like that is perfect line delivery.

 

Louis Virtel And also, you know what’s interesting is I didn’t know until recently that the actress who plays Ms. Scarlett, Leslie Ann Warren, was originally supposed to play Mrs. White. And which makes me think that that role, which is of course probably the favorite of anybody who watches the movie, thanks to the flames on the side of my face and speech. I think that role was originally supposed to be a little bit more like a blonde femme fatale woman in the forties. You know, who has like the husband who’s terrible and the detective has to save her. But in this case, she’s killed the husband. Thank you.

 

Taylor Hale Thank God. Finally, we’re getting our power.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah. Yes, yes. I also just think it’s endlessly rewatchable because it’s just pure comedy. There’s no moral. No. You know, it’s these people who, as you said, are tied up in like the dirtiness of Washington. And yet, even if you’re like five years old, you don’t have to understand it. You know? You don’t really even have to know what blackmail means or what a prostitute does or, you know, you just know that they’re like nasty people. Some.

 

Taylor Hale Something is awry here, something is seedy here.

 

Louis Virtel Right. Yeah, it’s just the feeling of intrigue. And I think in a way, it made me disappointed that more of adult life isn’t about things like blackmail.

 

Taylor Hale I don’t know what world you’re living in, but let me tell you, in this reality TV space, all these people are trying to get something over somebody, so I don’t know about you.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, right. No, I guess Big Brother is the closest we have to just a television show replicating this.

 

Taylor Hale Well, here’s my question, Lewis, do you remember the first time you watched this movie?

 

Louis Virtel Very vaguely, it was second grade, there was a woman who worked at our VHS video store, and also worked at- Not a blockbuster. No, no, no. This was poorer than that. And she said this was her favorite movie, and I had heard of it, and I was obsessed with Clue as a concept, like I grew up with the board game. And so we put it on and it never left our household.

 

Taylor Hale Or you stall.

 

Louis Virtel Yes.

 

Taylor Hale Oh, and that’s where it all started.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, and here I am. Here we are. Yes

 

Taylor Hale Check his pockets

 

Louis Virtel How about you?

 

Taylor Hale So this is my come clean moment. I, once again, not a big movie person growing up, but I felt like everybody had their cult classic that they loved and I didn’t have a cult classic. I went the same way about colleges. Everyone had dream college, I never dreamed college. So I sat down and I Googled cult classic movies and Clue came up and I was in this really big like mystery moment. So I just said, that one, let’s watch it. And I fell in love with it. Now the thing about this movie is that I’ve only ever been able to see it when they have all of the endings playing in succession. Which is why I’m so, so excited to finally watch each version of it just played as it is.

 

Louis Virtel Yes, that’s how the screenings are working, like on Monday you can get one of the endings of the movie, Tuesday the second one and Wednesday the third one, and that’s how it originally played in theaters, which is why it probably wasn’t a hit. You know, you didn’t know which ending you were supposed to see if one was better than the others. If you were going to waste money seeing a movie three times, it came out in December of 1985 and it really took the VHS revolution for it to catch on. And it must have been a movie that was played on cable all the time because it Almost everybody I knew had seen it ten times.

 

Taylor Hale Wow, that’s so interesting. Yeah. You are in your older thirties though, so I imagine that that would have been an experience for you.

 

Louis Virtel She’s the rudest guest we’ve ever had.

 

Taylor Hale Ever and out. Rudest and latest. That’s true. Yeah, just really hitting all the records out the window today.

 

Louis Virtel I also love about this movie, and I think something that gay men and women love about this movie. The women really run the movie. I feel like not only do they get more to do, they are so belittling to the men, because they’re all pathetic, really.

 

Taylor Hale Maybe that’s why I came with this energy, I just watched the move.

 

Louis Virtel You’re like, oh, I’m going to bring Miss Scarlet vibes.

 

Taylor Hale Yeah, you know, oh I love you

 

Louis Virtel But like Miss Scarlett being like a madam, Mrs. Webb being like I kill men, Mrs Peacock being like, I’m running a whole bribery operation. They are just purely snarling at like spineless Mr. Green, lecherous Professor Plum, you know, like the fact that they never feel cowed by the men I think makes it feel way more fun.

 

Taylor Hale Fun and forward, and just ahead of its time. There’s something about these movies where the women, these movies that I love in particular, like the 40s, 50s, and now this 80s movie that takes place in the 50s. The character of women where they have power like this, where they’re unapologetic when they’re sneaky and snarly as you said, you just, you’re walking and sit, not an encyclopedia.

 

Louis Virtel You’re walking the source. It’s very bad. I’m Roger. Oh my god. I’m RogelBT or something.

 

Taylor Hale Love you one moment and I hate you the other. And it’s amazing how you can do that. It’s the same interests. Anyway, these women that get to reclaim and advance their power in ways that they would not have been able to in their time. That’s what makes it so fun and just like so exciting to be along for the ride. I will say, watching this movie in 2025, like I’m so sorry, but watching them made.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, that is an objectified character.

 

Taylor Hale So objectified and the accent is so much sometimes, but I was just saying how I want to rest my face in Jamie Lee Curtis’ bosom, so why don’t I feel the same way about her?

 

Louis Virtel No, that is a good question. Also that’s interesting because obviously the accent turns out to be fake But one question I have about this movie is when she’s being killed And by the way, I object to the fact that a vet in one of the endings is one of The killers a vet is not a character in clue. That cannot be a care. I’m sorry. I object

 

Taylor Hale Transitioning from the board game to the movie. Yeah, and so you fully agree with that

 

Louis Virtel They’re the six suspects and they should be the six people who are the killers strong morals, but in the movie Before she’s killed you hear her drop the French accent and she’s talking to the killer and she says You hear the killer ask her did anyone recognize you and she said they must have and she she goes into this long Thing or whatever but in that moment does she recognize the killer? Or like, why is the killer talking to her? Anyway, I just think that’s the, and what she says is so bizarre. That’s the one part of the movie that doesn’t make any sense to me.

 

Taylor Hale Well, I mean, it’s OK, but not every part of every movie has to make sense. This is not your horror movie where everything has to add up. This is not your your movie of morals where the message is so silly and goofy. So there’s one little it’s not a plot hole, but like a missing piece here. I’m fine with it.

 

Louis Virtel Especially since the endings, by the way, are so insane. Like, there’s no way in one of the endings Mrs. Peacock ran through and killed everybody. It just, I’m sorry, from a physical standpoint, I cannot picture Eileen Brennan, who was on her ninth pack of the day. Pack? Feathers in her face and business constantly, fully stabbing all these people to death or whatever.

 

Taylor Hale Also, she had so many feathers, you know, like the evidence has to peel off eventually so that when you slab her it’s not there

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, right. See, well, that makes so much more sense. The secret pathways also help. How would you feel about a remake? Are you hip to the idea or no?

 

Taylor Hale But as it is please original ideas original ideas work Yes, like please just do something new and if we have to do something based on something exists Like I don’t know if you watched the studio if we to do a Kool-Aid movie like do a cool movie do a What else is out there Hasbro something movie, but make it original I don’t want to see anything that already existed completely remade. I don’t need to see this recast I’m sorry we will get into it though now. I just like Hypothesizing about it, but if it actually happens, I’ll be very upset This conversation feels like is like when people say if they could do Lady Marmalade for the modern era. We don’t need to.

 

Louis Virtel Right. We do already. It’s not a four person song. We invented it for that occasion. Right.

 

Taylor Hale Right, and we can leave it there. No one will outdo the performance. No, I’ll do the rapping the singing that just leave it as it is The modern girls don’t need to replace that

 

Louis Virtel The only thing I would say, and generally I completely agree, is that if they kept the world of this movie clue and then did three completely new endings, that I would like. Because I feel like the fun of the movie is, yeah, it kind of could be this, it kinda could be that. But they didn’t really explore the possibility of what could have happened in that space. So that I like to see.

 

Taylor Hale I guess if there is a movie I could see being remade right now, it is this because we’re in such a murder mystery moment. So Traders is happening, Big Brother Hotel Mystere is happening. All of these things are so deeply invested in. Knives Out and All That World. Knives out is, I love that movie. So yes, it could happen today, but I feel like a clue remake right now would be the overkill to take us out of this phase.

 

Louis Virtel You are correct, yes. Now, okay, let’s say you do have to recast it. Let’s do it anyway. Who would be thrilling to see in a remake of Clue?

 

Taylor Hale So I don’t want to do like race to race recasting. So obviously like I want to think of like Asian actresses to play this role, but no, if I could recast Mrs. Scarlet, I would, I want it to think of like the young black girls that are acting right now. So I think of a Normani or Coco Jones or someone of that ilk playing that role.

 

Louis Virtel I would love a little Kiki Palmer in that role.

 

Taylor Hale Kiki Hama would be so fine.

 

Louis Virtel Because she can go as broad and as nasty as Ms. Scarlett in this movie is and I love Leslie Ann Warren in this

 

Taylor Hale And she has the chops to do any type of role, but for what Kiki’s doing right now, I think this is the position that really leans into the space that she’s occupying personality-wise right now. Who would you put?

 

Louis Virtel Well, I have two ideas. One, the pure nastiness of the line deliveries. I like Rachel Weiss, who is great in everything. If you saw her in the favorite, that was sort of a Miss Scarlet-esque performance. But also, Divine Joy Randolph from The Holdovers, I would love to see her. To me, she has the energy of someone who could run a brothel.

 

Taylor Hale You know what I mean? Like did I really bring back the madam? Yeah, where are they? Yeah? Yeah. Where are they?

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, you know? And it’s like, there is actually a stage adaptation of Clue that was at the Amundsen in LA recently, and it’s mostly based on the movie, but they changed it a little bit. And that, the actress was black, and that felt right. Like a madam in DC, and also just like that kind of snarling nature of that character, she really handled it well. So I think that makes sense. Actually, I’m going to go to Mrs. Peacock next. I’m seeing a little Catherine O’Hara for that. Because I think, you just brought up the studio. You took mine. Yeah. Get out, get out. If you watch the studio, she has that like, I’m worried and I’ve got a bird brain energy thing and yet also screaming at a moment’s notice. So she can play the dimensions of anger and baddiness that it requires.

 

Taylor Hale Wow, I’m so upset with you for that. Oh damn. I really sat on that one for a while and I was like, I am going to knock this out of the park. But yes, Catherine O’Hara, I feel like watching her in Schitt’s Creek and then watching her in the studio, it wasn’t like watching the same character, but it was like what happened if Moira Rose never ended up in Schit’s Creek? Yeah. And what if Moir Rose was never simply a housewife, but went on to take more powerful roles? That’s what I saw her character as in the studios. And so with that wisdom this I could see that character from the studio being invited to this party. If it were set in L.A.

 

Louis Virtel Right? Totally, totally.

 

Taylor Hale Oh yes, wow, that just makes me so happy.

 

Louis Virtel Christine Baranski came to mind, too. You know something else I love about this movie? Nobody is young. Everybody is about 40. The youngest person is me. She’s the only one. She’s only one

 

Taylor Hale And she doesn’t look like she’s in her 20s, I’ll tell you that.

 

Louis Virtel No, no, no. No, everybody in this movie is like hardened by like the grossness of their lives. And like that rancor, I think is really part of the appeal to Mrs. White now. Actually, I do think Catherine O’Hara could play Mrs. White too. But do you know the comedian Patty Harrison? She is somebody who when she delivers a line, suddenly it will be so gross and so nasty and so shocking. And I feel like Mrs.White is a fun character in this move because she mostly hangs in the background and then steps into the light and reveals. A craziness that surpasses everybody else in the movie, and I think she’s capable of that.

 

Taylor Hale So here’s a ridiculous suggestion. Okay. Emma Stone.

 

Louis Virtel I mean, I do think she can do anything, and I was a little upset with her in Eddington. I didn’t think she got enough to do, so I’m interested in this.

 

Taylor Hale I think that this is the more quiet and subtly wacky moment that she can have. Like she can melt away effectively, but she’s also unavoidable, right? And so when she does step forward to say the ridiculous thing, it’s believable. Yeah. And I’ll never forget her in the pocketful of sunshine. Like she could do kooky and silly and endearing.

 

Speaker 4 Mm-hmm

 

Taylor Hale which is not this at all, but also like that dry, stale delivery is something she’s so good at. And I think you need to have that demeanor when you’re a little more in the back. And then like you said, slowly step into the light and just say the fucking thing and do it so perfectly well.

 

Louis Virtel There’s no way she’s not a Clue fan. I mean, I feel like this could be in her… She has a lot of it. By the way, speaking of Emma Stone, a co-star of hers who I think would be good is Professor Plum, you know, like a weird, lecherous guy, Willem Dafoe. Picture him with a pipe standing around. It’s like, oh, you, know? Like, don’t get your hands off me. Stay away from me. Yeah.

 

Taylor Hale Okay, okay, Willem Dafoe, yeah, yeah. He’s not, again- Don’t touch me. Yeah. I mean, yeah I’m not saying no. That is, if what you’re looking for is a person that’s like, why are you always leering over me? Why are you all always around? Yeah. Yes. I just imagine this character to be, maybe it’s the name Plumper, like a fuller character.

 

Louis Virtel And how do you feel about Mr. Green, the gay character in the movie? I do feel like it could be Andrew Rannells.

 

Taylor Hale Okay, here’s why this is what I was struggling with. Do you want to cast someone who is openly gay as a character? Or do you want do someone who?

 

Louis Virtel Well, as you know, I’m woke. So I would. Go woke, go broke. Yeah, because I think it’s a little bit funnier also if they’re gay for real and then like frightened about it. Yes. You know?

 

Taylor Hale Like 50’s frightened.

 

Louis Virtel Yes.

 

Taylor Hale Get back. Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel I’m from the Midwest. They still have some of that there.

 

Taylor Hale I was just there, you were very right. What if, I’m just thinking of like the Rolodex of all the Ryan Murphy movies, of all of the not gay men that he has cast to play gay men. Oh, sure.

 

Louis Virtel Oh, sure. No, like Wes Bentley could do it. Yeah, yeah.

 

Taylor Hale Or, I mean, Ben Platt could do it, but like, do we want to see him? I think he could do. He could do, but like do I, am I enthusiastic about that? Is that a question? And I’m like, yes, I want to it. I feel like he’s done all the roles already.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, right, that’s true. That’s true And then colonel mustard i’m trying to think of like a I feel like that’s sort of paul giamatti or something like A henpecked straight men who can also be like a sad mama’s boy And you’re just like and I guess this would be a holdovers reunion if we put him and uh, davan joy randolph together Oh my god

 

Taylor Hale again, then it’s like repeated.

 

Louis Virtel Colleges.

 

Taylor Hale I love you. Thank you. I didn’t.

 

Louis Virtel Thank you. I didn’t choose this. I feel like God just put it in me.

 

Taylor Hale Born this way, some might say.

 

Louis Virtel The lost verse. Those are the only roles that really concern me. One problem in the actual movie clue is that Mr. Body is the worst actor. And also, did you know that that is not his speaking voice? He is entirely overdubbed in the movie by another actor. And somebody just figured out it’s that guy, Rennie Santoni, who played, he’s from like Dirty Harry, but he played Poppy in that one episode of Seinfeld when the guy pees on the couch. Anyway, he is the person doing the voice of Mr. Body.

 

Taylor Hale Oh, the inspiration of High School Musical with Drew Seeley.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, yes. Wonderful.

 

Taylor Hale Kenny Ortega will never forget you.

 

Louis Virtel Um, but anyway, clue, we love you. Taylor is going to see you three times next week.

 

Taylor Hale I am going. I love you, Clu. I will see you dearly. And let’s please don’t do the remake. I don’t want to see it in theaters or on streaming.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, I would do a two season TV show. That’s all I’ll say.

 

Taylor Hale Two seasons? Give it one and done.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, oh and right then we can just get the limited series Emmys. See? Smart girl.

 

Taylor Hale Hire me.

 

Louis Virtel We’ll be right back with our favorite segment of the episode, Keep It. And we’re back with our favorite segment of the episode. It’s Keep It. Taylor, you’re a fan of the podcast allegedly, so I know you’re prepared for the Keep It segment.

 

Taylor Hale I do have a Keep It Prepared. This one’s gonna get me in trouble.

 

Louis Virtel Let’s go.

 

Taylor Hale I might be burning bridges, and I do feel kind of bad about it, but I have to let this out. Keep it to reality TV stars being best friends with the entire cast once they finish filming a TV show. I am tired of the expectation in the year of 2025 that just because I filmed a reality TV show with a handful of people who were also chosen to be there at the same time as me, that I have to then be in multiple group chats, and be best friends online and in public with said people. I’ve had a good experience on a TV show. I’ve have had multiple good experiences with entire cast on a tv show. I’ve one very famous, terrible, horrendous experience with people on a t.v. Show. I do not want to feel obligated to maintain every single relationship and every single venue with said, even the ones I have the best relationships with. Those relationships are for me, not for you, the public to consume.

 

Louis Virtel Uh, the performance of the relationship is what you’re namely really

 

Taylor Hale I’m naming the performance of the relationship, not just for the public, but also amongst the cast as well. Like, I don’t have to be performing my relationship with an entire cast of people in a group chat. I’m okay. I will text you separately. I will build this friendship outside of the public sphere that is the group chat or the group. Twitter, TikTok, wherever you want to see us. I’m not doing the TikTok dances with everyone unless I want to. I’m going to Instagram and doing co-posts with everybody unless I want to, I’m not doing it for your consumption, I am doing it for my pleasure and I have lost the pleasure currently. So when you see me with other people on reality TV, it is because I genuinely enjoy spending time with them. But I want to go back to a time where I didn’t have to go to watch parties. I didn’t have to live on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram. Twitch, all these other things I ain’t never heard of in my life that exist somehow, someway. I don’t want to have to be walking down the street and hanging out with people if they’re in town, if someone else is in town and they know it on Twitter and you’re DMing me because they’re in town. And I just don’t happen to be with them. It doesn’t mean that I don’t like them or that I’m a bitch or a [Unrecognized] for not seeing them. I just, don’t have the time. I am in bed watching movies to prepare to be on a podcast called Keep It. Keep it to the performance of relationships. And if you think I am talking about you, I am.

 

Louis Virtel First of all, this was a speech worthy of your big brother finale. So it’s like you took me right back. But second of all something else that concerns me here is you were on the show years ago. That’s so much to keep up after all of this time. It is.

 

Taylor Hale It is, but I mean, I’ve done now three shows, The Amazing Race, Reindeer Games, and Big Brother. So I’ll tell you, the BB24 group chat is defunct, but I have my relationships with people that I genuinely love. Reindeer games and The Amazing race, they are people that I actually don’t have a bad relationship with anybody of those people, but it’s this like, we all have to hang out, we all to get along, and we all had to be in this place. It’s like, I am an introvert. I’m very selective with the time that I share with other people. And I get overwhelmed very easily. So doing this all together is very draining for me and it is more detrimental to all of us if I am there, the worst version of myself, than if I’m in small doses with all of you as individuals. It’s better for all of that way.

 

Louis Virtel It sounds like you’re following Taylor Swift’s advice that your personal time is a luxury if that was her thing

 

Taylor Hale It is!

 

Louis Virtel Yeah

 

Taylor Hale And you know, I don’t say that to be I am better than you or amazing or above you, but like I can be a better person when my personal time is the luxury that I enjoy and share at will.

 

Louis Virtel It’s almost like you value your own authenticity or something, which is not going to serve you in the reality space.

 

Taylor Hale Oh no. There’s only like two more shows I want to do anyway, so I’ll be fine.

 

Louis Virtel Okay. Oh, can we know what one of them is?

 

Taylor Hale That I want to do? Oh, yeah, I mean, obviously I want to do Traders and I want you to dance with the stars. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn’t.

 

Louis Virtel Oh my god, you would be so sensational on Dancing with the Stars. Traders, I mean, is like Big Brother too. That’s no surprise to me. I would love to see that. That was no surprise to me. I would love to see that.

 

Taylor Hale It’s a different venue, right? Dancing with the Stars would be fun and different.

 

Louis Virtel Also just a mirror ball trophy that’s like something you should be holding.

 

Taylor Hale I think you’re thinking of the jumpsuit, the finale jumpsuit and the mirror ball trophy.

 

Louis Virtel Yes, ding. My keep it this week is, unfortunately, I have to shout out some journalism compatriots. I am a film criticism stan. I read film criticism all the time. And this week, Conde Nast laid off a couple of greats, namely my friend Richard Lawson, the Vanity Fair film critic. He’s a fabulous writer. I’m sure you’ve read him a million times. And now the Chicago Tribune just announced they’re letting go of their film critics. So Michael Phillips This is leaving soon. I just have to put this out there. Film criticism is inextricable from my love of movies. I don’t go and see a movie I like or hate or have mixed feelings about without then going to film critics who I feel like that’s kind of like my Marvel superhero squad. I value people’s opinion. I think one of the best things about being alive that online culture probably disagrees with is valuing other people’s opinions. I want to know what people care about and how they express it. I want to hear them be an asshole. I want to hear them be funny and sharp and erudite and bringing the entire past of cinema with them as they talk about new movies and to see these positions eliminated, you know, because in a way we are awash with people’s opinions of films. You know, there’s a new podcast every second, every tweet, every letterbox review. We’re not hard up for opinions, but we are hard up well delivered, well written pros about movies and appreciating it. And I feel like this is just, I don’t want to say it’s a death now because I feel like I’ll always read good film criticism as long as I’m alive, but it does feel like something precipitous is occurring where voices are being sort of lessened or muffled in a way and it just drives me crazy. Richard Lawson is fucking gifted. He should be at the forefront of movie criticism. I want to scroll down Metacritic and see his nasty review of whatever comedy came out or his surprisingly good review of a Marvel movie or whatever. I love knowing people’s voices and then occasionally being surprised by them, but mostly checking in to learn what I know they’re gonna say about a movie. I love know a film critic’s voice and tapping into it. So keep it to just firing people who are amazing at their jobs, which is one of my favorite jobs.

 

Taylor Hale I think we’re losing the valuing of expert opinions.

 

Louis Virtel Yes. And the expertise is exactly right.

 

Taylor Hale And we’re overvaluing the, I’m so sorry, democratization of opinion.

 

Louis Virtel Right, and maybe even quippiness about it, you know? Like, letterboxed, as much as I, I think there are amazing people writing letterbox reviews, but like, boiling it down to a tweet is just not what I want out of a movie review.

 

Taylor Hale No, that’s the thing that comes on the preview for the movie, not the actual, I went and saw the movie had special access to that. This is what you need to know based on my history of knowledge. I just, well, I’m, I am devastated that Richard Lawson was laid off. That’s, that so.

 

Louis Virtel And I never expected it to happen. Yeah, no, movies are just an awesome venue for literary voices to do what they do. I want to be reading that stuff. So I’m rooting for all the major critics. I’m rootin’ for you. I will do what I can to trumpet you from here on out because this is completely unacceptable. Maybe you should all be on the next Reindeer Games. I’m big brother. No. A battle royale of movie opinions.

 

Taylor Hale I’ll never actually get a single episode because I’ll just be speaking forever.

 

Louis Virtel Yeah, it’s all confessionals, yeah. Yeah, finally Finally, all confessionals, big brother.

 

Taylor Hale You know what? If they’re good, hang on to that.

 

Louis Virtel I’m gonna say, and you’re one of the best. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Taylor Hale. First of all, I think the chicest person ever to be on Big Brother.

 

Taylor Hale Oh, I thought you were going to say keep it. I was like, you’re lying. That’s a lie.

 

Louis Virtel Oh no, no, honey, Kate Blanchard’s been here.

 

Taylor Hale Exactly. I was like, I’m walking out that door right now. But oh, I will take that for a big brother. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

 

Louis Virtel It’s always so fucking good to see you just anyway.

 

Taylor Hale Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel Ray of sunshine and also a damning voice when she needs to be too.

 

Taylor Hale When I must be and you can take it. I don’t I bequeath it onto the people who can receive it effectively

 

Louis Virtel Oh, thank you. You should feel honored. I am the sort of nervous, stuttering Mr. Green, and you’re the brassy Miss Scarlet. And for that reason, I’ll see you at every screening of Clue from here on out.

 

Taylor Hale Well, I would like to think that, but you already denied me three times.

 

Louis Virtel Denied you three times?

 

Taylor Hale Yeah.

 

Louis Virtel Fourth is coming, sweetie. And that’s our episode. Thank you to the fabulous Charlie Day for being here. Thank you, to Taylor Hale. And also, of course, you can watch Big Brother Unlocked on CBS, if you need to know any more about Big Brother. My God, they feed you some content with that show. And we’ll see you next week.

 

Ira Madison Don’t forget to follow Crooked Media on Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok. You can also subscribe to Keep It on YouTube for access to full episodes and other exclusive content. And if you’re as opinionated as we are, consider dropping us a review.

 

Louis Virtel Keep It is a Crooked Media Production, our producer is Bill McGrath, our associate producer is Kennedy Hill, and our executive producers are Ira Madison III, Louis Virtel, and Kendra James.

 

Ira Madison Our digital team is Delon Villanueva, Claudia Sheng, and Rachel Gajewski. This episode was recorded and mixed by Jarek Centeno. Thank you to David Toles, Kyle Seglin, and Charlotte Landes for production support.

 

Louis Virtel Our head of production is Matt DeGroot, and our production staff is proudly unionized with the Writers Guild of America.

 

Ira Madison And as always, Keep It as filmed in front of a live studio audience.