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April 27, 2023
Dare We Say
Dare We Say Goodbye

In This Episode

See you later, y’all; this is Dare We Say’s finale. Josie, Alycia, and Yasmine wrap up the pod with the campiest eulogy, the sweetest memories, and the coolest upcoming projects. WE LOVE YOU SO MUCH, DON’T FORGET IT! Thank you for listening ❤️

Show Notes
Josie Totah
Alycia Pascual-Peña
Yasmine Hamady



Josie Totah: We are gathered here today to commemorate. A moment in time. A time and a moment full of many moments throughout a very long time where we shared a lot. 

Yasmine Hamady: Mm hmm. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mmm. 

Josie Totah: Of moments. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Thank you, Jesus. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh, God. 

Josie Totah: And time. 

Yasmine Hamady: [?] so soon. Wow. 

Josie Totah: Together. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wow. 

Josie Totah: And– 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh, God. 

Josie Totah: I think we can say it best by saying she was wonderful. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: She, they/them/their, his was wonderful. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Gender is a construct. 

Josie Totah: And they gave us a lot. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh God. 

Josie Totah: They gave us time together. They gave us a few checks. They gave us an orange couch to lay our butts on and open up to the amount of people that have come through. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh, God. 

Josie Totah: Us our– 

Yasmine Hamady: I– 

Josie Totah: Our door. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh God. 

Josie Totah: And that person is this podcast. Today we lay her to rest. And uh it’s not going to be easy, but we are all ready for it. Welcome to the funeral of Dare We Say. [music break] In all seriousness, you guys, we want to and I don’t want to say in all seriousness, because I hate when people say that because only unfunny people say– 

Yasmine Hamady: I don’t like in all seriousness– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I say in all seriousness. 

Yasmine Hamady: –because we’re not very serious. 

Josie Totah: We’re not eilther. But uh for clarification. Not for clarification, because that sounds like I wasn’t clear enough. This is just going to rip the band aid off. No, no, that sounds like I don’t care that much about the–

Yasmine Hamady: Listen. 

Josie Totah: –podcast. 

Yasmine Hamady: This is our last episode. 

Josie Totah: This is our last episode. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yup. 

Yasmine Hamady: And it’s sad. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: The last Dare We Day episode. 

Josie Totah: Yeah, it is sad. And but it’s also exciting because we’re celebrating so much that we’ve accomplished. And for many of you, this may seem like uh, well, maybe you don’t care, but maybe some of you do care and are confused. And I think we want to talk– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Talk about it. 

Josie Totah: –talk to– 

Yasmine Hamady: We want to–. 

Josie Totah: Talk about it.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Talk about it. 

Yasmine Hamady: We want to– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Be honest and have you guys– 

Yasmine Hamady: –[?] conversation. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Be a part of the conversation because the reason that we started this podcast was to be transparent. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And to let you guys in. 

Josie Totah: And also finish it out with some of our favorite moments. And– 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. And what’s next for all three of us. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: Exactly. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And honoring what we’ve done here. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Because it’s been important and it’s been special and it’s been such a beautiful ride that I could have never expected. 

Yasmine Hamady: 100%. We started this podcast as three best friends and we’re finishing it out as three best friends. That has always stayed constant at Dare We Say, and that’s always going to continue till our last days. 

Josie Totah: I think at the beginning of starting this podcast I remember because I don’t think we’ve talked about it at all, actually, like the–

Yasmine Hamady: No. 

Josie Totah: The– 

Yasmine Hamady: Origin. 

Josie Totah: –conception of this baby that is now dead. But when I remember being in my room and speaking with a fellow friend of mine and just saying that I wanted to start a podcast with Yasmine because we were obsessed with like having these types of conversations and we originally wanted the podcast to be called Let’s Get Hard. 

Yasmine Hamady: Let’s Get Hard. 

Josie Totah: We had a whole slide deck and I think we shared it with my former manager and um she was like, this is this is terrible and– 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah she literally did. She’s like–

Josie Totah: –this can this will not be made ever. So you guys need to go back to the drawing board. And I remember telling her I want Crooked to be the home for this podcast. Like there was no, it’s crazy because I don’t even know how I was so certain at that time, because I feel like even just like three years ago, I feel like podcasts were still like at a high. But now I feel like they’re like so much like, Call Her Daddy, and all of this stuff– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Everything is just–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: They’ve become like moguls. 

Josie Totah: And so now there’s like more– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: People on podcasts 

Josie Totah: –channels and stuff. But I’m so happy that I was I was the most familiar with Crooked out of all of the–

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah same. 

Josie Totah: –studios of everything back then. And I was determined to, like, you know, bring it here. And I remember having a meeting with icon Sarah Geismer and speaking to her about what the show would look like and then seeing that like she was really excited to like, have a show where people could have these types of conversations about life and like socio politics and things that like existed in the world from, like we’d say all the time, like Megan Thee Stallion to policy reform and things that are just equally important to us. And I remember being in Hawaii with Alycia and telling her about this podcast, and then when I found out that they were like really interested in doing it, which was when we were at the airport, I literally pulled Alycia aside and I was like, we cannot do this podcast– 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: –without you. It cannot happen. And you weren’t even in the conversation at all. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: And so I think you were like, okay, what the fuck. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. No, I was so taken aback because I think I’d heard like murmurs of you guys working on it, like in the kitchen, because as most people know, we all lived together at the time um when this little beautiful baby was born. And I remember you pulling me aside [laugh] randomly, like in a nook of, of of Hawaii. And um I remember being so like, honored and humbled that you guys would even think so highly of me. But in total transparency, I was scared because I knew that I, out of the three of you guys, struggle the most with being transparent about like, emotionally how I’m doing. I think it’s always been really easy for me to have like conversations about race relations and equity and socioeconomic status and things like that. But I knew that I was going to be pushed in this podcast and you guys, in the most loving, reassuring ways, held my hand and said, we’re going to do it together, so it’s gonna be fine. And I said, okay, if I do it with them, I’d go to the ends of the earth, so might as well do something that really does um shake me in certain ways because I knew it was going to be a very new thing for me. I love that we all went to the drawing board as a collective together. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And we were adamant about staying true to who we are, but being a family and going forward um and wanting to grow and like take this journey together because we had never done this before. 

Yasmine Hamady: And I want to touch quickly on our first pilot that we did together. 

Josie Totah: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Because– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: [?] I forgot. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, so that was in October of 2021, right? 

Josie Totah: Mm hmm. 

Yasmine Hamady: And we were coming back that night from Outside Lands. We were driving the whole entire night. That weekend we were in San Francisco. 

Josie Totah: Oh, my God. I–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I forgot that. 

Josie Totah: –forgot that too. 

Yasmine Hamady: And we were we got maybe– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And we were like– 

Yasmine Hamady: –two hours of sleep? 

Josie Totah: Was that– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: We were in the car like this. 

Josie Totah: Wait was I driving or– 

Yasmine Hamady: No Omar. 

Josie Totah: Omar. Omar.

Yasmine Hamady: Omar was driving my car. You were in the back seat we had In and Out. We were we got maybe 2 hours of sleep max and– 

Josie Totah: Oh, yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: –we actually had Whitney Cummings on the podcast. 

Josie Totah: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: On the pilot. And we never aired it. Um.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And she was phenomenal. 

Yasmine Hamady: She was incredible. And it was um did God create the fuck boy. And we’ve never released that. But we did the pilot. We were exhausted, [banter] I remember that morning. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I thought it was a good episode. 

Yasmine Hamady: So we just didn’t talk. Like in the beginning like– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yo. We were like this–

Yasmine Hamady: –our voices were shot. We’re like this. And then we did the pilot. We’re like, okay, that was mid, but you know what? Not too bad. And then I remember Sandy emailing us and Caroline and Ari, um this was– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Our wonderful producers. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, and this is before Fiona came into the family. And they were like, um so we’re going to do that again. 

Josie Totah: [laugh] Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Because that wasn’t um that wasn’t you guys. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: You guys like, you guys didn’t prep and like, podcast’s you once again, you don’t pick up a mic and you don’t just talk. You have to prepare, you have to be intentional. And that’s what we learned and we did it again. Um. And I have I I don’t want to keep rambling, but– 

Josie Totah: No please. 

Yasmine Hamady: The one day I remember the exact, oh God. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. Shit, we love you. 

Yasmine Hamady: [on verge of tears] No, it’s like incredible because like, we got to do this with our best. Like, I got to do this with my best friends. Um. I was in the hotel with my parents one weekend in March, and this was last year, and we did the pilot. We did it in January, the second one, and we got an email from Sandy with everyone and she said, we got greenlit, guys. We did it. And I remember I facetimed you, Alycia, was like this in bed, Josie was at the bank with a mask on. And we’re like, [laugh] I have the screenshot. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That is a perfect description. 

Yasmine Hamady: And I was sobbing. And I was like, we fucking did it. 

Josie Totah: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Like we’re going to have a season making stuff as best friends, giving people a community. That was one of the best days of my life. That was genuinely– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yazzie. 

Yasmine Hamady: –one of the best days of my life. 

Josie Totah: Oh my God. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You’re the cutest person. Group hug. 

Yasmine Hamady: I know I sound so fucking stupid. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. 

Josie Totah: Wait no I love you so much. 

Yasmine Hamady: Come closer. Come closer. 

Josie Totah: Sorry. I love you so much. And we literally love you and our producers like, hold the mic to your mouth. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah hold the mic. [laughter]

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Hold the mic. 

Josie Totah: But I–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Stop wristing it. 

Josie Totah: I do like, no, we love you so much. And I think like, I think that we are so lucky to be this close. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: And to have like, it’s so weird. Like, obviously, like our friendship exists on camera and on the podcast, but like, none of this, all of this has to do with our friendship, but also none of this has to do with our friendship either– 

Yasmine Hamady: 100%. 

Josie Totah: —at the same. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah absolutely.

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah 100%. 

Josie Totah: And it’s like we’re family in real life and also in in this life. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: And like consistently we are. I’ve been so proud of every conversation we’ve had, every time one of us have been uncomfortable about something– 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: And wanted to speak about it. And even if we didn’t want to, we did. And having like such open discourse and we went places that none of us would have maybe gone on any other platform. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Absolutely. 

Josie Totah: And talked about things we never would have talked about. 

Yasmine Hamady: No. 

Josie Totah: For the betterment of other people, but also for ourselves. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Mm hmm. 

Josie Totah: And I think it not only helped, you know, some of the people that have told us that we’ve helped them, but also like it’s helped us. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Absolutely. I think it’s important to, you know, like acknowledge the fact that we had growing pains. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah we did. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like, I think it’s really easy in this day and age, um especially with social media and so many other factors for people to get like a glamorized shot of someone’s process or experience. Um. And there were aspects that weren’t easy, like because I think all of us had very distinct challenges with the podcast. But I think that we were committed not only to this wonderful team that believed in us, but to each other. And I think that we’re coming out better as better people, too, because um in all honesty, there were moments that we had to hold each other accountable. Or one of us may have said something that we didn’t like. 

Yasmine Hamady: That crossed a boundary. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Um that crossed a boundary.

Josie Totah: I’ve done that many times. 

Yasmine Hamady: I, we all have that’s the thing. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: There there there like, let’s let’s keep it a whole buck because that’s what we strived to do um from the beginning and we hope to go out that way is like, we are not perfect. We are far from it, but we are committed to like living in our truth, whatever that may be. And there were a lot of like car conversations after episodes or prior to episodes that weren’t the most pleasant. But they made us better women, they made us– 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –better humans. They made us a better collective um because we had to confront things whether we liked it or not. Whereas, you know, friend to friend just going to coffee dates and going to shopping. Obviously our friendships have never just been that superficial. 

Yasmine Hamady: This is very familial too.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: But it’s super familial. But now because we had work a part of it, in a way, um it was a new aspect that we had to explore and there was a sense of maturity that we had to find– 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –in that way. 

Yasmine Hamady: 100%. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And I have felt so privileged to do that with you girls um because I think you’ve made me better. I think I’ve had to be very, um very candid about my shortcomings and my weaknesses as a communicator uh and just as an artist in general. And I think that I’m coming out better because of it. And I, I think you guys are champions and were already so phenomenal and make me better on a daily basis. And the fact that we can say that we had a podcast I think is super special. 

Josie Totah: And– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: I think I mean. Not only was this podcast such a growing experience, it was also a support system. 

Yasmine Hamady: 100%. 

Josie Totah: And I just I remember being so far away from home. Everyone’s sick of me talking about it. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. 

Josie Totah: But like, all I wanted to do was be with you guys. And I think as much as we tried to all stay in constant communication, it was just difficult it was like an eight hour time difference and you guys had lives. And like I think you both did like an amazing job. Like, you know, still talking to me and like, [laughter] trying to like keep me updated with everything and make me feel included. And obviously, like, we all talked a lot, but like having this time to just see each other once a week and catch up, it like it wasn’t just something fun to do, it was a necessity. And like I, I needed that. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: I needed that. And I in my lowest moments, like I had the two of you and I know you guys feel the same. And I think that is something that is so special. And I–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: We didn’t take it lightly the gravity to have a platform. Not– 

Josie Totah: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –everybody has that, especially people from our communities. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yup. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like the communities in which we come from, individuals are not always handed a mic to talk about what they find important, and that’s something that can make me emotional um and that, you know, we have to thank Crooked for, have to thank these beautiful sisters for like we were really able to talk about racism and homophobia and awful legislation in this country in addition to fashion trends and [laugh] TikToks and rap songs. And we were allowed to be multidimensional ecclectic people. And I think [laughter] that that’s really special. Are you laughing at me hoe? 

Josie Totah: No I’m not. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Because I’ll slap you. 

Josie Totah: No I’m not laughing at that at all. I’m not laughing at that at all sorry sorry I just had a flashback. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: To what? 

Josie Totah: To something that we nothing sorry. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: What’s the flashback? 

Josie Totah: I actually you’re making an amazing point and sorry– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You’re such a bitch. [indistinct banter] Josie– 

Josie Totah: I think that you uh make an incredible point not to be like that’s the one good thing about our country, but, like, we can speak freely here and–. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay First Amendment. [banter]

Yasmine Hamady: –you said bill of rights. [?] [banter]

Josie Totah: We have the First Amendment here and seeing videos and tiktoks of like the women in Iran and like– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: –queer people in like the UAE or like in the Middle East in general, not having the opportunity to speak. [laughter] Why are you laughing? 

Yasmine Hamady: You’re laughing that women in the Middle East don’t have the– 

Josie Totah: Why yeah? 

Yasmine Hamady: You are– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No! 

Yasmine Hamady: –failing your ancestors! 

Josie Totah: Why is that funny to you? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: It’s not funny. You know how you were looking at me.

Yasmine Hamady: Alycia hates women. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No absolutely don’t do that. Josie was looking at the camera like this [non audio gesture] [laughter]

Yasmine Hamady: Alycia hates Arab women. So we can get that out there. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I love Arab women. 

Yasmine Hamady: No. [banter]

Josie Totah: Do you know what I’m saying, like–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I do. 

Yasmine Hamady: No. I know what you’re saying. 

Josie Totah: And especially queer people– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: This is cool. 

Josie Totah: –to not even exist in the Middle East. It’s illegal to be trans in fucking Dubai. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: That’s insane to me. 

Josie Totah: [?] people are trying to take me to Dubai and I’m like– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. 

Josie Totah: Girl. If you’re trying to take me there–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Why do people keep inviting us to Dubai? 

Josie Totah: Yeah I’m like you take me you’re getting taken out. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They’re like, you guys want an expense free trip to Dubai? I’m like, I’ll get shot there. 

Josie Totah: Yeah and do you want an expense free trip to heaven? Because bitch I’m going to fucking get killed. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah yeah.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Why do people keep talking to us about Dubai? I feel like–

Yasmine Hamady: Because Dubai is a very like they’re putting so much money right now [?]– [banter]

Josie Totah: White people love Dubai. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: White folk love Dubai. [banter]

Yasmine Hamady: All the influencers love Dubai because it’s a made up city and they just like to be in the desert. 

Josie Totah: They also love Bali. But anyway. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Anyways. [the girls start singing together indistinct words and melody]

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –[?] about bad bunny? Because now [?]– 

Yasmine Hamady: No, I know she is. [banter] No, I know because that’s what she was singing. And I said, that isn’t the song that you sent us 5 minutes ago. And she’s like, No, I know [singing]. Oh, I could do a really good Shakira impression too, do you want to hear? 

Josie Totah: No. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. 

Josie Totah: But– [laughter]

Yasmine Hamady: And that’s our friendship. 

Josie Totah: But. But, but, but, but, but, but, but– [music break]. 


[music break]

Josie Totah: Okay. So. Yes. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 

Josie Totah: Yes. No, I, I, I did go to the bathroom and feel like I wanted to cry. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: Only because I just feel like I’m so bad with being vulnerable and but but that’s why I wanted to get on here and speak again, because I think one thing that I am so proud of us for is how vulnerable not only all of us were, but how people who have come on here have been. And I just wanted to say I’m really grateful for that because I think that’s helped me be more comfortable being vulnerable and speaking about things that I wouldn’t have spoken about before. And it also like makes me sad because I don’t have that for myself, for like trans people who speak on podcasts about like dating and life and like all these things. And think that I’ll still be that person for people like in in the world, because I’m not– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You are. 

Josie Totah: –dying. 

Yasmine Hamady: You’re not going anywhere. 

Josie Totah: But like not on this podcast like does make me sad. And I did want to say that and like I don’t like forget about that to like all the queer people who do listen to us and do, you know see us and want us to be alive because we help them. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: And so that makes me happy too. And I never wanted to talk about this I don’t that’s not me. I don’t talk about that kind of stuff like, like dating and, you know, living life and hooking up with people and like things like that it’s just not me at all. But I do it because I kind of want that. I want that. I want to hear that. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: You know? 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 

Josie Totah: I want someone to tell me about that. I just want to be an actor that like, sits at home and no one knows anything about. But I have too loud of a mouth. And I also know that, like, people need to feel represented and need to feel healed. And I I want people to know if they are listening. Maybe they’re not, maybe you don’t give a fuck at all. That’s great too. I’d be more comfortable with that because I have a fear of vulnerability. But to the people that do care, whether it’s like four of you or ten of you or hundreds of you, I have no idea. I did not do good in math, but I’m still here for you guys and I am not going anywhere in that way. And I’m so grateful for you guys for being so supportive. And that’s what I wanted to say. I think when I went to the bathroom and felt emot– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Thank you for sharing. I hope you know, like your simple existence and just the way that you are able to be so brave and truly yourself. Like in all the parts. Um. I remember you just like talking on certain episodes and me like getting lost in you. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And just being like, very proud. Like, honestly, just as a fan, like, obviously I’m a sister, I’m a friend, a wife [laugh] a life partner, but I was just like, wow, like, you really are doing the damn thing. And I will say, like, I don’t think we’ve ever really talked about that um or had like a direct conversation where we talked about this. But the comments on like YouTube or like DMs that I’ve gotten or comments on Insta, I don’t think we’ve ever had a distinct conversation about this, but where someone would say like, Yas, thank you so much, I am bi and I’m Middle Eastern, or someone said, I’ve never heard an Afro-Latina talk about um body dysmorphia in that way, or someone talking about, wow, just your truthfulness about dating and love and your identity like those comments, the fact that someone took the time out of their day to reach out to us and say that um just I’m really grateful and really special. And I think that that kept us coming back every week. And I think because life is just moving fast and um we’ve been busy. We’ve never had a distinct conversation about that. 

Yasmine Hamady: No. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like seeing those comments and having people reach out on a personal level or even in person, like I get so uncomfortable, but I’ve had multiple people in person be like, hey, I listened to this episode and I really loved it. Or like, Oh my gosh, you made me laugh. 

Josie Totah: Yeah it’s true. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Or I was listening to, we never talk about that. 

Yasmine Hamady: We never– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: We never, ever– 

Yasmine Hamady: And it’s– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –ever, ever talk about that. 

Yasmine Hamady: I mean. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: But I’ve had multiple people in person be like I like your podcast and they’ll like, give me a thought provoking response back. And it shows me like, wow, you actually like took time out of your day. 

Josie Totah: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And I don’t take that lightly. Like you took an hour or whatever it may be, your car ride, you getting ready in the morning, like life is so busy, it’s so hectic we’re immersed with so much information. The fact that you were able to just sit down with us and listen to some crazy three girls trying to figure out life. I do not take that lightly. Like we are thankful for the time that you shared with us and we hope that you feel seen and represented and you guys do that on a daily basis within this podcast and outside. 

Yasmine Hamady: You have a Palestinian Lebanese trans woman. You have an Afro-Latina woman who grew up in the Bronx, a Dominican woman. You have a Lebanese bisexual girl from Silicon Valley, and they all walk into a bar and you get the best fucking night of your life. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh tea. Okay. 

Yasmine Hamady: And that’s what [laughter] okay, hold on. And and– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wait. 

Yasmine Hamady: Hold on. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wait. [?] right back. Not sexual like–

Yasmine Hamady: No not sexual– [banter]  

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like you’ll dance a lot like you’ll dance a lot. And you’ll laugh a lot. 

Yasmine Hamady: No, like you’ll you’ll never be the same. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Because when you we don’t see people like us everywhere. And Josie what you said about, like you do have a platform. You don’t like being vulnerable. You don’t like being vulnerable either. [laugh] But– 

Josie Totah: What are other bad things about us? 

Yasmine Hamady: No, no, no, no. But but–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: So now we just um drag each other. 

Josie Totah: No I’m joking I love that. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No, no, I’m kidding. We love you. 

Yasmine Hamady: No but like, you, really like you guys aren’t but the fact is in the last 36 weeks and beyond that, you got to show a side where I see that because I’m your I’m your sister, I’m your best friend. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: To people who need to see that. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: And you’re doing such a service. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Let it be said like, who who are we like like, we are so grateful for this opportunity, but we want everybody to feel like, more comfortable in their own skin and identity. And I think that’s what drove us to keep doing this every week. Like, despite maybe the inner turmoil that we were all facing at times, we were having the time of our life. It’s been so much fun, so much laughing, so much joy, so much dancing. Um. But, you know, the times that we were struggling, like what kept us going was the fact that, like, if even one person feels more comfortable in their skin– 

Yasmine Hamady: That’s all that matters. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: If even one more person feels like, wow– 

Yasmine Hamady: Safe. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I can have this conversation with my family member or um feel a little less alone then we did our job. 

Yasmine Hamady: And we did it. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You know, like like we should all be showing up for one another. And I that’s what we, I think– 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –strived to do with this pod. 

Yasmine Hamady: But– 

Josie Totah: Amen. 

Yasmine Hamady: But there’s one thing that has always been a constant in every episode, and that is the amount of times we collectively have looked over, can we cut that? Can we take that out of the episode? So– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Just cause we weren’t trying to ruin our lives, you know. 

Yasmine Hamady: We yeah– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –our family member’s lives. 

Josie Totah: I mean whether it was we could have been canceled or friendships could have ended or– 

Yasmine Hamady: Yup. 

Josie Totah: –our moms could have been mad at us, or someone could have found out that someone was being unfaithful to another person. We–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Not us. 

Yasmine Hamady: Not that’s I’ll tell you right now. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Other trifling people. 

Yasmine Hamady: That’s not us. 

Josie Totah: No, no, no. That was just like a example. Um. 

Yasmine Hamady: Not us. 

Josie Totah: Not specific to us. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: So when we did want to have decorum and um keep it a little bit together, which we don’t always do, we would say. 

Josie Totah: We would ask for something to be cut out. So without further ado, here is a compilation of every time we almost screwed ourselves over by putting a foot in our mouth and had to ask our producers to cut something out: Damn, I just said his name. Okay, cut that. 

Yasmine Hamady: Well we’ll cut that part out. But I have. Maybe we cut this out. I don’t know. Yeah. Can we cut that out, please? 

Josie Totah: Well we’re going to cut that whole part out entirely. How about that? Because we don’t want to be canceled. How about that? Caroline cut that. I can’t get canceled. I think that one needs to be like. We should cut that. We’ll take that out. 

Yasmine Hamady: We can keep that in. 

Josie Totah: No, cut it. 

Yasmine Hamady: Okay. 

Josie Totah: We can cut that out. 

Yasmine Hamady: I want to keep that in, like that whole thing. 

Josie Totah: No, no. Cut. Keep the joke. Cut us talking about. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh, yeah, yeah. 

Josie Totah: Cut out when we did it earlier. 

Yasmine Hamady: So let’s just cut that right there. 

Josie Totah: Hey that’s being cut out [laughter] cut out cut out all that in-between stuff. Um. [laughter] Cut that out please. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: The cackle. Let out in the– 

Josie Totah: So we’re going to move on and we’re going to cut me out out me saying that. 

Yasmine Hamady: Okay. 

Josie Totah: We’re also going to cut this out too is which is funny. Let’s cut that out because like I felt that. Cut that out. Cut all that. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Sorry. Cut that out. 

Josie Totah: You can cut this part out. I’m just going to go ahead and lie about this. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wait do you want to cut that out? 

Josie Totah: Can you cut out me trying to rhyme because I don’t want people to think I’m a bad rapper when I actually am a good one. 

Yasmine Hamady: No that was really good Josie. [music break]. 


Josie Totah: [music break] And when we started this, we knew that this was going to be a time commitment. And we knew that we were going to have to make our time here as efficient and as best as possible while also maintaining everything else in our life as well. You pointed out that I was working long hours like Yasmine literally, you work a full time job. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Full time job. 

Josie Totah: Like every single day. [?]

Alycia Pascual-Peña: She works super dilligently. 

Yasmine Hamady: I because I’m still- 

Josie Totah: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: I’m still having my foot in the door, like I’m–

Josie Totah: She’s getting off meetings and running in the door like 2 seconds later. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: And like, and literally will come to Crooked at like 3 hours earlier than our podcast– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: To be able to do meetings. 

Josie Totah: To the studio just to be able to do her meetings. So she can make it on time. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: And like, we have each had to sort of incorporate this into our lives and I think it’s been really great. But I also think that you get to a point when something is growing like this baby that it is and, you know it gets harder to maintain and to raise the baby when you have everything else going on in your life. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: And I think that we also knew from the start that this was a two way street. And as much as our producers, Caroline and Fiona and Ari, were so incredible with guiding us and holding our hands, we had to pull our own weight, too. And I think that we got to a point with all of our busy schedules and with filming and with everything else that exists in the world of our worlds, that we would feel like continuing this podcast, we wouldn’t be able to be pulling 100% of that weight. And we feel like that’s a disservice to the people who have brought us here. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: And also all of you guys as well. And I think. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yup. 

Josie Totah: The beautiful thing about what we’ve done here is I can say for a fact we have come here every single time and given it 110% and been as raw and open as possible and as much as we were like, yeah, we could kind of make this work continuing and and doing more. We knew we weren’t going to be able to do 150% and we didn’t want to give you guys that. We didn’t want to give ourselves that. And that’s why we came to the conclusion to end it on this high point, where–. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah and on our own terms. 

Josie Totah: And on our own terms. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I think like as young women who very much are still figuring out who we are in this world, like a lot of us are, right? We’re just navigating, right, we’re working through it. I think that we are learning what it looks like to take up space while creating space for other people around us and have agency and I don’t think that there are like are enough words to properly articulate how grateful I am to Crooked and our wonderful producers. Producers. Shout out Ari, Caroline, um Fiona. Everyone that works on this show. Um. Sound video. Everything in between uh for giving us the space to, like, have control. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And to have jurisdiction over like, what we want to talk about and what we say, because that’s not a privilege that we always have, especially as the artists that we are, you know, like um we’re actors we’re performers, we’re artists. Um. And that’s not something that I had ever been given in this type of way. I’ve never had this liberty in my life like– 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –in my career. And I think that that’s really special. But I think it’s also important to know, um to know the extent that you are able to do something to your best ability. And I think very much in the way that Josie said that we wouldn’t want to do something if we weren’t fully committed and present um because it’s unfair to the people who do share this lovely thing with us. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And we’re so grateful for every step of it. Um. And we don’t ever want to fall short or be doing you guys a disservice or the people who have championed us and supported us. So I’m proud of us for being able to be close enough to have a very mature conversation and go, look, these are the factors here–

Yasmine Hamady: That’s– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –the pros and cons and our journeys are starting to look a little bit different and including new things, which is beautiful. But that means um new levels and new experiences and doors opening and doors closing. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, I think I’m glad that you brought up the conversation, because the conversation in which, you know, we we had a meeting with Crooked and they kind of gave us like this is where we could go, what are your thoughts on this? And we said, well, would you give us, Alycia was in Puerto Rico. Josie was very sick with the stomach flu. I came in and we were just like, give us for the weekend to talk about this as best friends. And that conversation wasn’t easy. Um. That conversation was, if we do this, this is what possibilities could come out of it. If we don’t do this, we get to leave with our heads held high, bow out with grace. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: And know that we did 36 incredible episodes on an incredible platform with an incredible audience. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: And– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That we’re proud of. 

Yasmine Hamady: That we’re beyond proud of. 

Josie Totah: And that will be here forever. 

Yasmine Hamady: That’s the thing it’s it’s– 

Josie Totah: Like I can’t wait to be 40 and like– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh gosh. 

Josie Totah: Showing these episodes to my kids and my maybe I’ll be a great grandma by then. Who knows? 

Yasmine Hamady: No not 40– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: At 40? 

Yasmine Hamady: –years old, girl. 

Josie Totah: But like my grandkids. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: [?] period. 

Josie Totah: And like my I don’t know, like, I just can’t wait to, like, be in the car one day and me missing you guys and knowing that I can just, like, turn on this podcast and hear our voices. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: And to know that it’s not going anywhere. 

Yasmine Hamady: No. And– 

Josie Totah: And we know y’all have not listened to every single one. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Come on. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: So run that shit back. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Honestly– 

Josie Totah: Not all of you have, so yeah honestly– 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. I honestly want to say, like, for me, what was so difficult for, like– 

Josie Totah: Difficult [said in a funny way]. 

Yasmine Hamady: Did I sound like that?

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You sounded Irish for a second. 

Yasmine Hamady: It was difficult because I realize how much I love podcasting alongside, like my acting, my writing, my producing and like, yes, I work a 9 to 6, but I’m also like, I’m a hustling actor, you know? So I felt like transparently and I’ve told this to you guys, this was a conversation that we had like, I feel like it was one step forward, two steps back in my career. If we’re not having this because I’m not going to get the the platform to show my face a little bit because let’s be honest about this industry. They want to see new faces, but they actually they say they want to do, but they don’t really show that they want to do. Like I feel like everyone wants to cast people that they know, which is understandable and they’re not making room for new, new talent. So I feel like then I don’t I don’t I lose that door. But going back to what you said and what Josie and Alcyia have said from the beginning, when one door closes, another one opens, But this door has never closed because this door is I feel like an entrance to a beautiful home where all of you can join. And this home is here forever. All 36 episodes are going to be here on every platform forever. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: And that’s something special that I feel like we get to have. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mm hmm. Absolutely. And I just feel like it’s so important that, like, people know that we’re having this conversation from a spirit of gratitude. Like, how many people say that they had like a podcast? Okay, well, we’re in L.A.. Um.

Yasmine Hamady: I’m dead at that. Alycia. 

Josie Totah: Like literally every person. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: On a global scale how many people can say that they’ve had a podcast?

Josie Totah: And have a giant studio helping you– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. And I was just gonna say– 

Josie Totah: –produce it– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña:  –especially like–

Josie Totah: –and make it. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Crooked. I think it’s important to note, like, we would–

Josie Totah: People get shook when they walk in they’re like, oh my god this is a full– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah, we were– 

Josie Totah: –real thing. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –fans of the company prior to ever even being associated before there was even an inkling that we would potentially be um able to have this show here. 

Josie Totah: I literally remember being 14 years old and working with Jon Favreau’s brother. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh my gosh. 

Josie Totah: Andy Favreau, who played my uncle on like a TV show that I did in high school and hearing about him and– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I love that. 

Josie Totah: –my mom being like, he’s brilliant. He was a speechwriter for Obama. And then, like my brother Omar being like, he has a podcast and– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: And there they made Crooked like their– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: –voices. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: They’re icons. 

Josie Totah: Yeah made made this place. So we do love them. And–. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. So shout out to like manifestation and– 

Josie Totah: Daddy. Oh yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –setting intention. 

Yasmine Hamady: Not daddy. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: What? Did you say daddy? [banter]

Yasmine Hamady: To to our fathers, our founding fathers, Tommy, Jon and Jon. So the burning question is what’s next for us? Miss Alycia? 

Josie Totah: Alycia? 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I’m still just being an artist out here. Oh that sounds so cliche ugh. But um [laughter] uh you could catch me in this– 

Josie Totah: It sounded more cliche you saying the words– 

Yasmine Hamady: You saying the words–

Josie Totah: –it sounded cliche.

Yasmine Hamady: –cliche. Yeah literally. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. All of it is just gross and vomit inducing but– 

Yasmine Hamady: Tell them why you’re in Puerto Rico exactly. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh, yeah, um you can. [laugh] The show that I’m a part of, it’s funny and wonderful and beautiful and um surrounded by amazing Latinos. Created by–

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –amazing Latinos. It’s called Neon. Um. It will be on Netflix. 

Yasmine Hamady: [cheers] Yes, it will. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Um coming out later this year. I don’t know exactly when. I don’t really know what’s going on. But I’m just happy to be here and along for the ride and grateful. Um. You can follow me at @AlyciadelSol. Um. Yeah, I’m I’ll be dancing a little bit of this, a little bit of that, a little bit of singing um everything in between. 

Yasmine Hamady: Singing. 

Josie Totah: Do you want to say something– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Let’s not talk about it. 

Josie Totah: –about that? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Nope nope I don’t. 

Yasmine Hamady: Are you sure you don’t? Because I think it’s really important that people hear your voice. It is– 

Josie Totah: What if you say I’m going to come out with a single this summer? 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: What if that doesn’t happen? 

Yasmine Hamady: Hold yourself accountable. 

Josie Totah: That’s what I’m saying hold yourself accountable. 

Yasmine Hamady: Hold yourself accountable. Let’s fucking do it. You’re saying it on a platform. Alycia, this is pushing yourself, this is the last episode. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: It’s pushing myself but also, like, I have a show and maybe a movie to film. So, it’s like, maybe I will be coming out with music this year. We shall see. [gasp and cheers] That was disgusting. I said this year. I have the full of 2023. But yeah, I’ll be doing lots of things. And yeah, I love you guys. This has been so fun. [laughter] How about you–

Yasmine Hamady: Josie? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –Josie Totah? 

Josie Totah: Well, aside from renewing my license. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mmm. 

Yasmine Hamady: That’s a big thing. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That’s the biggest one. 

Josie Totah: That is almost as expired as this podcast, I– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Too soon. 

Josie Totah: –will be, too soon? 

Yasmine Hamady: Too soon. 

Josie Totah: I will be filming a horror film. 

Yasmine Hamady: Horror! 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Horror! 

Josie Totah: Um, called Faces of Death. [weird sound from Yas] Which sounds so scary. It’s a remake of a seventies film. Um. Very excited about it. 

Yasmine Hamady: It’s going to be coming out in movie theaters. 

Josie Totah: It’s going to be coming out in theaters. Um. And so I’m very excited about that. It’s my first horror movie. And it’s with really cool people and I move away in two weeks for it. So– 

Yasmine Hamady: And I’m trying to take time off work to go see her.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Same.

Josie Totah: Please. 

Yasmine Hamady: No, I know. But and also another major thing is coming out this year, hopefully. Why the fuck you were in Scottsdale, Arizona– 

Josie Totah: Oh yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: –for a year? 

Josie Totah: Oh why did I forget about that. Um. Yeah, we just I got. Okay. Yeah, sorry. 

Yasmine Hamady: I think we’re forgetting something where why you were on Zoom or Riverside. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: For months. 

Josie Totah: Yes. 

Yasmine Hamady: For 9000 years. 

Josie Totah: Yes, A show that I did for a very long time that everyone’s sick of me talking about in Scottsdale, Scotland, Arizona. The Buccaneers will be coming out this year on Apple TV plus. [cheers] So very excited about that too. If you want to see me in a corset. 

Yasmine Hamady: I do. 

Josie Totah: Crying. 

Yasmine Hamady: Snatched. 

Josie Totah: And frolicking. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh, come on. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Frolicking. 

Yasmine Hamady: I’m love, you know, Siti, my grandmother, she’s incredible. She looks like Donatella Versace. Josie is her favorite– 

Josie Totah: I love DTV. 

Yasmine Hamady: –grandchild grandchild. She’s going to eat that up. She loves period pieces. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I’m super excited. 

Yasmine Hamady: Needed to say that. 

Josie Totah: That’s awesome. 

Yasmine Hamady: Thanks. 

Josie Totah: No that is awesome. I can’t wait for her to watch it and I can’t wait to watch it too. So yeah, that is what I’m doing. Yas, what? Well Yas, you’re like, sweating a little bit. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Are you okay? What? 

Josie Totah: Are you having–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: What’s happening? 

Yasmine Hamady: You guys are, you guys– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: What? 

Yasmine Hamady: Fiona. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yas. Do you need something stop. 

Josie Totah: Wait what?

Yasmine Hamady: Um, I don’t feel good. 

Josie Totah: Wait. 

Yasmine Hamady: I don’t feel– 

Josie Totah: Yas is shaking and her legs–. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yas. Can we do something for you? 

Yasmine Hamady: Oooh. My water just broke because I’m having a podcast. [laughter] 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You’re not a real person though. 

Yasmine Hamady: I– 

Josie Totah: I can’t. 

Yasmine Hamady: I am coming out with my very– 

Josie Totah: I’m coming out. Period. 

Yasmine Hamady: I’m coming out. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I’m coming out. [singing]

Yasmine Hamady: I’m coming out with my very own podcast and it is called drum roll please, [Alycia rolling her tongue like a drum roll] Main Character with Yasmine. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yay! 

Yasmine Hamady: And I will be giving you all the tea, all the shit, all the giggles, and you know damn well these girls are going to be guests back they’re they’re going to be my little what do you girl they’re going to be my Guillermo and Chuy. [banter] 

Josie Totah: That sounded racially motivated. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: It did. Why you look at me for Guillermo? 

Yasmine Hamady: I’m not racist.

Josie Totah: [?]. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That’s crazy. 

Yasmine Hamady: No, no. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That’s crazy. 

Yasmine Hamady: They are they’re going to be a part of the whole ride. Maybe they’re not going to be in front of the camera the whole time, but it’s okay. You have me. Um. And I just–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That’s all they need. 

Yasmine Hamady: And I just figured out this is this is something I’m good at. This is something I love doing. I have a voice. I want to talk about it. And if you think this is if you think they’re not going to be guests on this podcast, you’re–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You’re wrong. 

Yasmine Hamady: –fucking delusional. They’re going to be very big guests. 

Josie Totah: I’m going to be like Chuy. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Josie Totah: On, is that his name?

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes on Star Wars, that was a I’m very– 

Josie Totah: Not Star Wars girl. 

Yasmine Hamady: Not Chewbacca. 

Josie Totah: I’m talking about Chelsea Lately. [laughing] I’m talking about Chelsea Handler’s talk show. 

Yasmine Hamady: I’m a creative through and through and I have a voice and I have something to say. And I feel like my job here wasn’t just done yet. So that’s why my podcast is coming out very soon. And my teaser trailer for main character with Yasmine is coming out right after this: 

[clip of Yasmine’s teaser trailer] So I’ve a God complex where I think I’m the best person in any given room or I want to be six feet under. There’s no in-between. Do you believe that someone can be funny and hot at the same time? I do, because I am that, you know what I mean? I’m a Leo. What are you, ugly? Do you identify as an influencer? Are there any should have, could have, would have in your life? What’s your relationship like with masturbation as a woman? Were you breastfed as a child? Can I guess? Have you ever had an STI? Hmm. Normalize it. I never had a bitch like me growing up to look up to. As a young Arab woman who’s figuring it out in this world. What I want is to be that for people. What’s a piece of advice that you would have given yourself five years ago? What does your culture mean to you? Do you believe that everyone’s a little bit gay? I want to peak on my deathbed. I want to be like, uh and I’m dying at 100 too. You are the main character of your own storyline. I am starting this podcast because I have something to say. You have a voice, might as well fucking use it. Do you know what I mean? Mmm. I couldn’t have said that better myself. [music break]. 

Yasmine Hamady: So I’m having my podcast. Um. Follow me at @ChildishYasmino to stay tuned on what the fuck is happening next. Um. Acting still, doing that damn thing, figuring that out. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Standup comedy. 

Yasmine Hamady: Standup comedy. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You doing all the things. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, I’m doing stand up. Book me for some of your shows. It’s exciting. I don’t know what the fuck is going to happen in five days or five years, but I’m here for the ride I’m here for the long haul. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Period. 

Yasmine Hamady: And Miss Josie. 

Josie Totah: Yeah. I was going to say too, I don’t think a lot of people know that Yasmine has been the brains of this operation a lot of the time from beginning to end. And like you have really been our CEO. And like– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Agreed. 

Josie Totah: –held us together. And any time one of us was like unbelievably unwell and not being able to like show up in any capacity, whether it was like mentally or physically. Like you have pulled our weight consistently and it has only proven to me that, like you are more than qualified to have your own podcast and to do podcasting and to be in this world. I said it the very first time we recorded, I texted you, I said–

Yasmine Hamady: I remember that. 

Josie Totah: –you were made for this. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Made for this. 

Josie Totah: You were made for this. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. We talked about it. 

Josie Totah: And you are exceptional. And this podcast is going to be wonderful. And I can’t wait for everyone to go follow you and go on that journey with you. 

Yasmine Hamady: I like. Mm. I don’t want to cry. I love you. Thank you. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I love you. 

Yasmine Hamady: But also, once again, this podcast would be nothing without you. And without you. It’s us three, and that has always been the case. We are the fight, flight and freeze. We are the Powerpuff Girls where it’s Blossom, Bubbles, and Buttercup. You are the brain. You are the gut. I am the heart. We have– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Period. 

Yasmine Hamady: –so many analogies that we have talked about the us three that you can’t make up without all three together. You’re the body would fail. You would die without the gut. You would die without the heart. And god damn you would die without a brain. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wow. Wow. That was really poetic, that was really beautiful. 

Josie Totah: I literally– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I thought you were going to say you’re going to die without us. I was like, damn. 

Yasmine Hamady: You can find me at @ChildishYasmino for more info and more updates. You have to plug yourself. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: She’s not going to do it. 

Yasmine Hamady: You can find her–. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: At– 

[spoken together by Yasmine and Alycia] @JosieTotah. 

Yasmine Hamady: And you can find Alycia @AliciaDelSol. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That was beautiful. 

Josie Totah: Well, like any funeral, it has to end. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Must be laid to rest. 

Josie Totah: So we’re going to throw this bitch in the pit and– 

Yasmine Hamady: Girl. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Damn. Have some class. 

Josie Totah: –and call it a day. But I love you guys so, so much. And I’m so grateful for each one of you. Caroline, I know you’re listening on the mic. Our producer, Fiona. I am looking dead into your eyes. 

Yasmine Hamady: Fiona Caroline. 

Josie Totah: Our lovies behind the four– 

Yasmine Hamady: –monitors. 

Josie Totah: –dell monitors. 

Yasmine Hamady: And HP. 

Josie Totah: Who are putting us together. 

Yasmine Hamady: Thank you. 

Josie Totah: Thank you. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Thank you to everyone. 

Yasmine Hamady: And to you. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Our listeners our family. You were a part of the group chat from the beginning who people who have just started listening yesterday. Sorry. It ended really abruptly. Um. We– 

Josie Totah: You can go back. 

Yasmine Hamady: –couldn’t do this without you. We this is why we did it. We’re grateful for you to be here. Um. You’re loved. And that’s. And that’s that. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. Thank you for being a part of this DWS familia. For supporting us, for being there for our insanity, for our sad moments, for our vulnerability. For watching our growth firsthand. Um. And just know you will see us soon. It is not if, but when. And we love you and you are loved. And take care of yourself. Please. Forever and always. Te queremos. We love you. 

Josie Totah: That was so beautiful. 

Yasmine Hamady: We love you. 

Josie Totah: Bye! [music break] Dare We Say is a Crooked Media production. Caroline Reston is our showrunner, producer and mommy. And Ari Schwartz is our producer and show saddy. Fiona Pestana is our associate producer and Sandy Girard is the almighty executive producer. 

Josie Totah: It’s hosted and produced by me, Josie Totah. 

Yasmine Hamady: And me, Yasmine Hamady.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And me, Alycia Pascual-Peña. Our engineer and editor is Jordan Cantor. And Brian Vasquez is our theme music composer. Our video producers are Matt DeGroot, Narineh Melkonian and Delon Villanueva and Mia Kellman. 

Josie Totah: Lastly, thank you to Jordan Silver, Gabriela Leverette, Jesse McLean, Caroline Heywood, Shaina Hortsmann, Deisi Cruz, Danielle Jensen and Ewa Okulate for marketing the show and making us look so damn good. [music break]

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