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April 20, 2023
Dare We Say
The Great Tragedy of Coachella

In This Episode

Frank Ocean, what are you doing out there in the desert? This week, Josie’s busy filming, so Alycia and Yasmine sit down with Dare We Say associate producer Fiona to talk all things Coachella. Then, we get wise during Advice to Our Elders, answering questions from the elderly (anyone over 30) about makeup contouring, party beverages, and whether or not trends have an age limit.




Yasmine Hamady: Hello, everyone, and welcome backt. Welcome bact, back, back, back to black, [singing] 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Back that ass up. 

Yasmine Hamady: Back that ass up. My name is Yasmine and– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: My name’s Alycia Pascual-Peña. Alycia del sol Pascual-Peña.

Yasmine Hamady: Yes. And then usually you’ll hear like and I’m Josanna. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I’m–

Yasmine Hamady: Or– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I’m Josie Totah. 

Yasmine Hamady: I’m Josie Totah. [said with a spanish accent] I’m Josie. That’s usually the three things that you would hear. But unfortunately today you’re going to be hearing– 

Fiona Pestana: Hey what’s up? 

Yasmine Hamady: And you are you’re wondering who the fuck is that voice? Who the fuck is sitting in Josie’s fucking seat? That’s valid. That’s fair. But for unforeseen circumstances, just filming, um Fiona will be stepping in today. 

Fiona Pestana: Hey. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: They are an icon. We wouldn’t be able to do this show without them, so it is only appropriate that they get to hang out with us and chit chat and kiki with us on the show, so I’m excited to have them here. Fi, how are you doing today? 

Fiona Pestana: Oh, my God, I’m good. Um. Thanks, Josie, for being so booked and busy doing the acting thing. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: And letting me have a chance to come on. Um. Just to let you guys know I am um the associate producer on this show, so that’s why I’m around. And I mean, I kiki with you guys just at the office, so excited– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes. 

Fiona Pestana: –to do it on the mic. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, but gun to your head is this your– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: This is only right. 

Yasmine Hamady: Gun to your head, is this your favorite show? And I am for gun control but this I will have a gun right now. 

Fiona Pestana: Um. 

Yasmine Hamady: Is this your favorite show that you’ve worked on at Crooked Media? 

Fiona Pestana: Oh, you can’t ask me that. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes, I can. It’s my podcast. 

Fiona Pestana: Um. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yas, do not do this. 

Fiona Pestana: This has been an extremely– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You don’t have to answer that. 

Fiona Pestana: –fulfilling, wonderful experience. And I’ve learned so much. Um. It is the most unique. I don’t know if I can say this, but I feel like it’s– 

Yasmine Hamady: The gun is still up. 

Fiona Pestana: I feel like it’s the most unique show at Crooked, and for that it has been a beautiful, fascinating experience. It’s the only Gen-Z show at Crooked, um so for those reasons, I think it’s the most unique show that I’ve worked on here. 

Yasmine Hamady: So camp. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Ooh. 

Fiona Pestana: So– 

Yasmine Hamady: Camp.

Fiona Pestana: So beautiful, camp–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You know what? 

Fiona Pestana: Um. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: We receive that. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That is a very kind thing to say. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. I feel like I–

Fiona Pestana: I can’t pick favorites. That’s rude.

Yasmine Hamady: I– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Also– 

Yasmine Hamady: Alycia, do you think you can pick favorites in life? I think you can. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: We talk about this all the time? You cannot pick favorites. That’s not right. You cannot pick favorites, like with your children and like, friends. 

Yasmine Hamady: No, and– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: That’s not cool. 

Yasmine Hamady: It’s not cool and it’s not true, but it is inevitably honest. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: But you’re like– 

Yasmine Hamady: It is. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yas will go, not to be dramatic or to gossip, but who’s your favorite? And she’ll do it about everything. And I’m like, that is not okay. 

Yasmine Hamady: Also [?]– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wait wait. I want, I want to ask Fi a question. 

Yasmine Hamady: Okay. Go on. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: What do you think, what is what is the rose and the thorn about working on our show? What’s your high low? 

Yasmine Hamady: Ohhh. 

Fiona Pestana: Oh my gosh. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: What’s the high low of the entirety of your experience–

Yasmine Hamady: You’re like–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –working on this show. 

Yasmine Hamady: You’re like Alycia’s fat ass. [laughter] Yasmine’s Yasmine’s tits. And then Josie’s personality and face. 

Fiona Pestana: Yes. Um. I only objectify women. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. [laughing]

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Absolutely. 

Fiona Pestana: One thing that I have to say first before we move on, though, is you forcing me to make a decision is hilarious because I am bi, I am nonbinary, I am polyamorous. I can’t–

Yasmine Hamady: That, that, that, that.

Fiona Pestana: –make decisions. You can’t force me to make a decision. 

Yasmine Hamady: And it’s shocking that you’re not– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And we just put you on the spot. [laughter] Sorry.

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah it’s also shocking that you’re not a Gemini. 

Fiona Pestana: Oh, my gosh. I know– 

Yasmine Hamady: Because then that would just be– 

Fiona Pestana: But I’m a Leo. So. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, you are a Leo. 

Fiona Pestana: Don’t worry. There’s fire within me. Um. But to answer your question, high, low on this show um the low I’m going to answer that first. Get that out of the way. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Please. 

Fiona Pestana: Um. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Please. 

Fiona Pestana: You guys are actors, so your schedules are crazy. Um.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: That’s that. I’m going to leave it there. Um. The high is just being with you guys. I feel like every time you come into the studio and when you bring like a new friend, you revitalize the office. Like you bring such a sweet, like, joy about you and everyone that I’ve met who’s connected to you does the same thing. Like you guys have the sweetest little friend group. Um. So yeah, the community that you carry with you I think is the high of the pod. 

Yasmine Hamady: But does the low– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Thank you. 

Yasmine Hamady: –override the high or the highs, just so, so fucking good. 

Fiona Pestana: I think. I think we contain multitudes and we can carry multiple feelings– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: –at the same time. 

Yasmine Hamady: Shit, basically– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –I think– 

Yasmine Hamady: –they just said they were like, y’all are fucking hard. [laughter] But you know what–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Also– 

Fiona Pestana: But I love you. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You know what? Fi, I was going to say you give media training royalty. That was beautiful. 

Fiona Pestana: Oh my gosh. Thank you. [laughter]

Alycia Pascual-Peña: One and two no no no. No no no, but two two um let’s be honest. Like with our community, with our family, we definitely have to be like your most chaotic show, because I don’t think people understand that like, we are currently on three different time zones right now. 

Fiona Pestana: Literally. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And and I don’t think that people understand how much of a task that is logistically making sure we’re all in the same place and dealing with the adversity of how quickly things change for us. Because I think something that people don’t know about acting, understandably, it’s like on the production side is how much agency as actors, we don’t always have. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: So. So I think that that makes it super difficult to have any type of stability. And may I just say shout out to our producers and people behind the camera and audio and lighting and everything that goes into making this podcast. You guys go above and beyond producing a great show, but also working with us in our very unconventional lives. So you guys deserve the utmost amount of credit because man, I can’t imagine. I personally wouldn’t want to like arrange a show with people who are actors, and you guys do it swimmingly well and give us grace. So–

Fiona Pestana: Well– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I, I would have been shook if you wouldn’t have said that low, because I would have been like [?]– 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You know. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. [indistict]

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You know that low is us being in different places.

Yasmine Hamady: Well, I was just gonna say well, you’d be fucking lying to my face and by– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. 

Yasmine Hamady: –that–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. 

Yasmine Hamady: You’re cut. So going. I think there’s so [lip roll by Alcyia in response to Yasmine] many things that we need to talk about. Um. First things first with this week’s episode. Um. Something tragic happened, and that is Coachella. And that is uh Frank Ocean’s performance. 

Fiona Pestana: The great tragedy of Coachella. 

Yasmine Hamady: The great tragedy of Macbeth. No, Frank Ocean. Um. I think we can give credit where credit is due for all the amazing festivals like Rosalia’s performance was un, I mean, I didn’t go but un- fucking believable. 

Fiona Pestana: I love her. 

Yasmine Hamady: Dominic Fike. Blackpink. Bad Bunny. Bad Bunny posting on the screen like Bad Bunny can sing this uh can sing as it was, but Harry could never sing any other fucking Bad Bunny song. 

Fiona Pestana: I know. 

Yasmine Hamady: And I was like–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Metro Boomin. 

Yasmine Hamady: Metro Boomin. Future. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Doechii. 

Yasmine Hamady: All the–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Willow. 

Yasmine Hamady: Calvin Harris. Sorry that. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Kaytranada. 

Yasmine Hamady: Kaytranada like everyone just– 

Fiona Pestana: It’s a crazy line-up.

Yasmine Hamady: –killed it except the one who didn’t kill it was Frank. He um was an hour late. Um. He only was on stage for 30 minutes um. 

Fiona Pestana: Wow. 

Yasmine Hamady: And he was hiding behind something the entire time and he barely sang.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Also, fun fact [?] any listeners know none of us have attended. We are simply like you watching from the outside in. 

Fiona Pestana: I I will be– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And [?]– 

Fiona Pestana: –attending this weekend though, so I’ll– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Fi, how do you feel about that? 

Fiona Pestana: Um. I’m very excited, but it has been really crazy, like seeing all this media attention come out. Um. I was just trying to pull up a tweet that I saw that explained the whole Frank Ocean Coachella thing. Um. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I saw that too. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. So apparently he was supposed to have like an ice skating rink on stage. And then he decided the day of the show after like all of the manpower that went into building this ice rink um and all of the training or all of the rehearsing that these ice skaters had to go through to like, make the performance happen. Um. He decided the day of his performance that he didn’t want the ice rink anymore. And I think it was pretty clear that if he didn’t get what he wanted, he wouldn’t perform. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wouldn’t go on. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. So um that’s that’s really– 

Yasmine Hamady: Call it what it is. 

Fiona Pestana: –tough. 

Yasmine Hamady: You’re being a fucking diva. 

Fiona Pestana: He’s being a diva.

Yasmine Hamady: No, I I think you can call it what it is. And I’m sorry to say that, like you can be very you, both can exist at the same time where you. He is so talented and his music like Channel Orange is, I mean, and Blonde. Look, some of the best records to ever– 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: –be put out in history. I think I can positively say that. But also–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I agree with you and– 

Yasmine Hamady: Say it. Say it Alycia say it.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No, I don’t think you guys are going to like what I’m going to say. 

Fiona Pestana: That’s okay. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh! 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I’m a Frank apologist. [gasp]

Yasmine Hamady: Jesus suffering. Okay, Alycia–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Do not use do not use their name in vain. [banter]

Fiona Pestana: Let’s hear–. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay listen.

Yasmine Hamady: Talk your shit then if you’re going to say something–. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Back it up. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Listen. Always, always. I stand ten toes. Um. I think that our man is grieving. I– 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I think that there are a lot of factors. And honestly, I don’t know if this is um if this is a sign of my mental health um or how insane I am. But I would have been happy to just hear him sing three songs. 

Fiona Pestana: Totally. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like, if I would have heard Nights and Godspeed, I would have been good. What I do want to account for is that it is ridiculous that people, to go to Coachella the festival, spent thousands of dollars. I personally have a friend who waited there all day standing in the exact same spot. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: People were standing from 8 a.m. that day. 

Fiona Pestana: Literally. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Because of how much she wanted to enjoy their performance and then for them to come out and not even come like downstage and really interact with the crowd and to lip sing half the songs. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And then to be pulled off. I will say it is interesting that I think I read that Coachella is doing something they’ve never done in history and not like promoting or not tagging him and not really posting about Frank performance because of how disappointed they are. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Because the livestream didn’t happen, because of all the changes in him coming out late, which the livestream was promised to people. So now it looks bad on Coachella. So it is like, you know, on a larger scale, like we shouldn’t be rewarding unprofessionalism or someone not taking into consideration the sacrifices that people made to be there. But I also like, I don’t know, because I do respect that Frank hasn’t put out music and takes, takes like agency and understands like he has autonomy as an artist. That I respect. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: But it’s also, on the other hand, I do have a lot of respect for people that are like, then why did you say yes? Why–

Fiona Pestana: Right. 

Yasmine Hamady: Because he was supposed– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: [?] the money. 

Yasmine Hamady: –to last year.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Why did you headline? 

Yasmine Hamady: He was supposed to last year. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Why did you headline? 

Yasmine Hamady: People came to Coachella literally just for him. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. This has been– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: –teased for years. 

Yasmine Hamady: For years, he was supposed to come last year. And before that the year before but but we had the pandemic, so year after year. And I understand he is grieving. He has like, he has anxiety. But I think we can both live in a place where you can be a good per– you could be a good artist, you could be a good singer, you could put out great music. You might not just be a good fucking performer. And obviously, we saw it and the nerves got to you. That is okay. But people shouldn’t be spending thousands of their hard earned dollars. I sound like a fucking Republican. Our hard earned dollars. But like, people shouldn’t be, like, taking time off work, doing all of these things, being in the desert, having to buy um, like, rent a hotel room– 

Fiona Pestana: Right. 

Yasmine Hamady: –to see someone who genuinely doesn’t give a fuck about them. Sorry. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. No, the respect should be–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: See– 

Fiona Pestana: –mutual. I I’m– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: I hear you, though Alycia. 

Yasmine Hamady: Like sorry we have like the headliners of Bad Bunny, Black Pink uh Metro– all of these beautiful artists. And I’m not saying Frank Ocean isn’t an artist. He’s an incredible artist. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: But you have to give a fuck about the people coming to watch you. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: And support you. And love you. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: But it’s like as much as I’m a Frank apologist and obviously I couldn’t be more biased because of how much his music has meant to me, I do validate every feeling the audience members had that were like, this is unfair. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Because we were promised something and we paid for that service and then we didn’t receive that. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And it feels disrespectful to people that have pined for you and yearned and fought to see you literally for years. Because what this was his first performance in seven years. That is astounding. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Most artists can’t say that they would still have that support after that. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: So it’s like you do you do– 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –want to respect the time and the energy and the money of your fans who help you you know become this notable artist. 

Fiona Pestana: Right. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: As much as much as I am a big fan of an artist having integrity and doing what feels natural to them, I am like that sucks because I have so many– 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –friends that have personal stories of this weekend that are just not it. 

Fiona Pestana: The grace should go both ways. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Agreed. 

Yasmine Hamady: Um. Okay. Other than that, you had like so I also have one more thing about Coachella, but like– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Please. 

Yasmine Hamady: People aren’t going to Coachella anymore. They’re going to the festivals that are happening outside of Coachella. People are going to– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Purr. 

Yasmine Hamady: –Revolve Fest. People are going to like Don Julio moments, people are going to X, Y and Z just to get the photo for the gram or for a brand deal, but not going to the festival. And I have to say that’s iconic. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Like that’s camp like to be like that’s no I’m not going to go to the festival, but I will go get that photo and I will get that brand deal and get that check. But I’m not going to go sit in dust for 12 hours. Good on you. 

Fiona Pestana: I mean, I, I think a lot of people who see a lot of celebrities at Coachella, their main critique is like, oh, so you’re just here for the picture. Like you don’t actually care about the music. At least the people going to like Revolve Fest are being honest about where their priorities are at. They’re like, yeah, you’re right. I don’t care about the music. I literally am just here to get pictures in the desert– 

Yasmine Hamady: But not even about the music– 

Fiona Pestana: –to make myself look good.

Yasmine Hamady: Because you can care about the music, but it’s like, I don’t it’s, it’s like be going to Coachella. Have you guys been? 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Alcyia, you’ve been right? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Never been. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh, we’ll go next year together. We’re going we’re going to Outside Lands this year. But it is exhausting. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Being in the desert, it gets freezing at night and then you’re like, what the fuck am I doing all day? You’re like walking around, you’re trying to get food. You’re, may or may not be on drugs and you’re kind of just like wandering in the sun in Palm fucking desert. So it’s like, it’s exhausting to not want to go. 

Fiona Pestana: Oh, I mean, yeah, it makes sense. Festivals are not for everyone. 

Yasmine Hamady: No but– 

Fiona Pestana: They are for a very like limited amount of people who have the body capacity to handle being in the desert, walking around for three days, surviving on little sleep, etc. like– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Um want to hear a funny story? So when I first went to Coachella, which was my freshman year of college. 

Fiona Pestana: Fun. 

Yasmine Hamady: I went with my friends at the time and I remember like I had like blond streaks in my hair. I know. And it was like, I’m going to go. I’m going to have so much fun. I’m going to roll. I’m going to do all these things. Eh! 

Fiona Pestana: Sorority era. 

Yasmine Hamady: Sorority era. Yes. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Big facts. 

Yasmine Hamady: And I went and I got so sick. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: And if you know, I’m a hypochondriac, like, when I get sick, like I go to the ho–, I’ve been to the hospital being hung over just for a hangover [laughter] because I thought, I’ve called. I’ve called 911 on myself to take me into a fucking ambulance. Like, that’s just who I am. And I get that from my father, and that’s for therapy. And so I, I called my parents and I lost my voice completely. And I got pneumonia too. 

Fiona Pestana: Oh my god. Horrible.

Yasmine Hamady: At least so I thought. It was just bronchitis because I was vaping so much with a Juul. And I was like, I need to leave. I need to go home. And my parents were like, we can’t get you home. And they’re like, should we call you a car? Like a car like they thought I was dying. 

Fiona Pestana: Wow. 

Yasmine Hamady: Like Yas, what do you need us to come to Palm, Palm Springs and pick you up? Are you okay? Yasmine, blah, blah. And I’m just like, I’m just hung over and it’s like vaping. Like being out all day, but it’s like Coachella is not something for the faint hearted. 

Fiona Pestana: Yes. Especially–

Yasmine Hamady: That is what I’ll say. 

Fiona Pestana: If you’re going to do all the party things. Which this episode drops on 4/20. So. Stay safe out there, kids. If you’re–

Yasmine Hamady: It’s legal in California, it should be legalized everywhere. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. True. 

Yasmine Hamady: I’m a big proponent on smoking weed. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No one should be in prison for weed. 

Fiona Pestana: No. 

Yasmine Hamady: No. 

Fiona Pestana: No one should be in prison for weed. 

Yasmine Hamady: And that’s on, love you dearly, Kamala. But you’ve imprisoned a lot of Black people for smoking weed in California. 

Fiona Pestana: Tea. 

Yasmine Hamady: Specifically the Bay Area. Get them out. Thank you. Um. But–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: So. En– enjoy your 4/20. Be safe, have fun, um rest and relax. But learn something about the prison industrial complex in America. 

Yasmine Hamady: That’s every day. [music break] 


Yasmine Hamady: So we’re bringing back also sorry, I had to pause for a second because, Alycia looks so beautiful. [pause] I just had to– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Very kind. 

Yasmine Hamady: –pause for a second. Let’s keep that in there. Um. [laughter] She looks fucking gorgeous. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I love you. 

Yasmine Hamady: I miss her. Um. Our next segment, we’re going to be having a little game, a game that is so near and dear to our hearts. And that is someone, um a group of people, uh a community of sorts. And that is the geriatrics, the elderly. That means uh upwards of 35 years old. Um.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. You know, we’re we’re philanthropists here at Dare We Say. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes. We are Alycia.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Talking about Coachella and how exhausting it is. We thought, you know what, we should really serve the elderly and give them advice you know– 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes! 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –because we are just so wise at our– 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –young ages of, [laughing] of 24 and 25. Um. You know, we just know so much about the world we thought we would bring back one of our favorite segments, advice to our elders. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, I’m I I don’t want to grow up so badly that I have to say that I’m also 24 and no one’s 25 yet I’m not turning 25 for another couple of months. But that’s how scared I am of growing old. 

Fiona Pestana: Postpone the quarter life crisis. It’ll happen. Don’t worry. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Absolutely. 

Yasmine Hamady: I don’t need to. 

Fiona Pestana: It’ll happen. 

Yasmine Hamady: I don’t need to. But we have a couple of questions. Shall we read it out loud? 

Fiona Pestana: Yes. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes. 

Fiona Pestana: Okay. So we have gathered some questions from Instagram, from the Crooked staff, um all from people who are 30 or older, um a.k.a. elders. Um. To be clear, I’m 23, so I can also fill in some– 

Yasmine Hamady: They will give advice. 

Fiona Pestana: –Gen-Z gaps. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 

Fiona Pestana: Um. Okay.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I also was going to say Fi with us. Um the young, the wise. 

Fiona Pestana: Yes. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: The all knowing. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 

Fiona Pestana: But the all knowing–  

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And they are–. 

Fiona Pestana: –zoomers. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: They’re going to help us, um you know, just educate these older generations. So.

Fiona Pestana: Um that’s what we’re here for. Okay. So first question that I want to ask, I’m going to start with the fun one. Is contour makeup here to stay? What are your guys’s takes?  

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Absolutely. 

Yasmine Hamady: I was going to say, yeah, 100%. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Absolutely. I will say, though, um there is this new trend with contouring that a lot of people are doing, because I think professional makeup artists are doing it a lot. And so now YouTubers and TikTok-ers are picking up is under painting. 

Fiona Pestana: Mm hmm. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: So it’s like doing your contour, like kind of before your foundation and then putting your foundation over that word, um which I do not do. But I don’t think contouring is going anywhere because [clicks side of mouth] everybody loves a [?]. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, Alycia that’s the contour here to stay. But what we’re not going to do is have the 2015 highlighter that um that just snatches you so tight that it’s too much that it’s blinding your lights and will cause um a car accident with if you get the headlights on it. We’re not doing that. But contour– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: –is here to stay. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah, in is contour that looks like skin. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Um. Out is blocky chalky contour which was kind of a vibe. 

Fiona Pestana: Totally. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Back in the day. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. Very intense makeup looks happened back in the day. But I like that tip that you were talking about, Alycia, because I feel like that mean, I feel like there are issues with contour potentially going too dark on a lot of– 

Yasmine Hamady: I was just going to say.  

Fiona Pestana: –fair skinned people. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I was going to say. 

Fiona Pestana: Um. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yup. 

Fiona Pestana: So I like like adding the foundation on top because that will automatically even it out and make it look more appropriate– 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes. 

Fiona Pestana: –for your skin. 

Yasmine Hamady: I think– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And it’s still shaping your face. I was going to say, some of us still need to learn the lesson that contour is supposed to enhance your natural beauty or give you a snatched dramatic look. But let’s not get into like blackface or so dark that you are 20 shades darker. 

Fiona Pestana: Right. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: It’s supposed to be a bronzer. Let’s remember that. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah, your neck– 

Yasmine Hamady: It’s supposed to– 

Fiona Pestana: –should look normal. 

Yasmine Hamady: Your neck should look normal um if you think that you’re looking good when you’re going 50 shades darker. Um. You’re not. 

Fiona Pestana: You’re not. 

Yasmine Hamady: You’re just you you you don’t look good. Um. 

Fiona Pestana: Next question. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes. Next question.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes. 

Fiona Pestana: Okay. What is the best thing about millennials? I can jump in– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. 

Fiona Pestana: –real quick. If you want.

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, if you have something to say. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. Um. So my brother is a millennial. He is 31 and he’s like my best friend. Um. I think that my favorite thing about millennials and specifically the relationship between Gen Z and millennials is that we have a lot of cultural overlap, but we are tapped into things on the other sides of the spectrum that the other might not know about, but we still know how to converse about it. So I feel like the the balance of cultural similarities and differences is really nice when you’re talking about the world and you can both learn things from each other because they have you know stuff on the older side and we have stuff on the younger side, and so we’re helping each other out there. Um. Yeah. What are your guys’s thoughts? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. I think that’s a great answer because I think that there are certain things with millennials that we can still resonate with together. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Whether it’s like certain Disney shows or certain like Cartoon Network shows or even just like certain cultural, cultural events, there are things that we can go, Oh, we remember those things. We were, I think, just different ages. 

Fiona Pestana: Mm hmm. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I also say as of late, I do think that Gen Z can get a bad rap sometimes. You know. Oh, we’re so immersed in social media or X, Y, Z. Um. But I do think that there is a group of millennials that really empower us and go like, you’re the future. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And are very hopeful about us. Like there are a group of millennials that very beautifully say, like, you guys speak in a way that we didn’t. 

Fiona Pestana: Mm hmm. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Or have access to information that we didn’t and are using that properly. Like I’ve met many millennials in my life that I have wonderful relationships with and I look up to and I think give me wisdom, but also empower me and say, you know, you guys are different. You guys are better than us. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And having conversations that we aren’t having. And I think that that validates the fact that, you know, progress is happening as as much as the world can be daunting and scary, I think that that is a reminder of like, you know, we have to keep going and each generation hopefully is just going to improve upon the work that’s being done. Social injustice wise and– 

Fiona Pestana: Totally. 

Yasmine Hamady: Mhm. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –equity wise and representation wise, I think that always helps me when I hear someone um that I care for and respect go like y’all are doing good, like the kids are alright. The future. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You guys are more vocal than we were. 

Fiona Pestana: Absolutely. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Um. Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. I don’t really have, I don’t have much to say about millennials, to be quite honest with you. 

Fiona Pestana: That’s fair. 

Yasmine Hamady: Because I think growing up um we don’t need to get too much into this. But like a lot of my relationships with the Millennials in my life, it’s always like when I was your age, I never got away with that. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: When I was your age, I didn’t get to do that. 

Fiona Pestana: That’s real. 

Yasmine Hamady: And there was a lot of times of people who grew up with me who were older than me, who used to always be spiteful of like me being younger. And it’s not like ugh because I’m young, but like, you know, we have more advancements than, you know, the millennials did. And millennials had more advancements than the baby boomers did and so on and so forth. And so I feel like there is this um resentment that millennials have towards Gen-Zers. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: And in turn, GenZ-ers have a place of spite for millennials. And I could be wrong about this because there’s so many great things about millennials and there’s so many great things about all different generations. But that is what I have noticed. 

Fiona Pestana: Absolutely. I feel you. I feel like everyone is jealous of what the kids now have these days. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, but like– 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: –stop focusing– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: –on that and like, just live your own life genuinely. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Anyways. 

Fiona Pestana: Well. 

Yasmine Hamady: We can go to the next question. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Next caller. 

Fiona Pestana: If it makes you feel any better, Millennials are inherently cringe, um and I stand by that. Okay, [laughter] next. Sorry. Producer Caroline. Um. 

Caroline Reston: I think the same thing about Gen Z. 

Fiona Pestana: [laugh] Yeah, that’s true. 

Yasmine Hamady: Well you’re not. You’re not a millennial like our producer, Caroline. Like she is not a millennial. She’s like an honorary, she’s the generation that hasn’t been born yet. 

Fiona Pestana: A zillennial. 

Yasmine Hamady: That’s the. That’s the. She’s the generation that has yet to be. Has yet to come out of the, the pussy. 

Fiona Pestana: Whoa. 

Yasmine Hamady: Whoa. 

Caroline Reston: I love being a millennial by the way. 

Yasmine Hamady: Don’t say that out loud. 

Fiona Pestana: Um. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: She’s a cool millennial. She’s not like other millennials. 

Fiona Pestana: Ooh, okay. I have a okay, this next question, I’m I’m very excited. Um. What are your thoughts on Gen Z in the workplace? 

Yasmine Hamady: You need us. You need us so badly. Because I feel like we have a good I feel like we have a better work life. Ugh. Work life balance literally doesn’t exist in America with capitalism because you work five days a week and you only get two days off and ten days of paid vacation. That’s it. Um. So I just think, where we bring the [?] we’re the personality hire of the company. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I have two strong opinions. I think one of them would be, Gen Z obviously is the future. I think that we bring a new type of life and creativity and innovation to a lot of spaces because we want to break the mold. We want to be in more progressive spaces. We are very vocal and I think that there’s so much beauty birthed into that um and I hope that like we’re in spaces where people value that. The fact that we are trying to reinvent like what workspaces look like. And I love the fact that we advocate for the harmony of more work and family balance. Um. That’s healthy. And I’m obviously all for dismantling uh capitalism and having more ease in our life. But on the other hand. I do question some of my peers work ethic and– 

Yasmine Hamady: I agree. I agree. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like, if I’m just if I’m just going to be very honest, I think that that maybe is an unpopular thing to say. I do think that, like, we need to invite more ease and softness and like not feeling the need to be in a rat race. Like I do not think that we should have to equate ourselves by our jobs the way like capitalism asks us to. But I do question like if there is a job that you’ve pursued and you are a part of [pause] and that you say you enjoy. Um. What does like looking present and like having proper work ethic and being a good team player– 

Yasmine Hamady: I– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And doing your due diligence for that job looks like, does that make sense? 

Fiona Pestana: Totally. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, it does. I I I want to harp on that. I feel like–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And sometimes I and some and sometimes I question people’s lack of ability to have perceptiveness and understand that, like, good things do take hard work. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: It doesn’t mean we need to sacrifice our mental health. Absolutely not. But I do. I feel like I have approached certain Gen Z. I don’t think this is most people, but there is a minority group that expects everything with ease. 

Yasmine Hamady: See, I– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And expects everything with accessibility. And there’s a sense of entitlement. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I think that’s a minority. 

Yasmine Hamady: I think– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I genuinely do. But. 

Yasmine Hamady: I I completely agree with you, Alycia. I feel like and this is a hot take. I feel like both of us what we’re saying, people will disagree with us and the people who are disagreeing with us are Gen Zers. Um. I think our generation is a little bit more relaxed and another word for relaxed is lazy. Not a lot of people, but I think there is cer– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I don’t think we’re lazy though. 

Yasmine Hamady: Not lazy–

Fiona Pestana: I think it’s a spectrum. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Continue. 

Yasmine Hamady: I think it’s a spectrum of not lazy, but entitlement. And with entitlement comes laziness. Of people, things just getting handed to them. And obviously this is not. Majority of these people are the people who are like who have grown up with so much privilege and who have come up with, you know, everything handed to them in a silver spoon because they’ve had old money. And with that, they think that the generation like that their life is just going to be with ease. But that’s not the case at all. What do you know what I’m saying at all? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah, totally. I feel like. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: I feel like there, there it’s a range. There are the people who are entitled and expect things. And then there are also the people. Like when I was in college, I feel like I was surrounded by people who were working so hard all the time. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: And I was always like, Oh my God, if I take a break, I’m wasting time. Like, I need to be productive. I need to be, you know. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: Working on my career or whatever. I feel like it depends on the environment that you’re in. 

Yasmine Hamady: It depends on the environment. 100%. 

Fiona Pestana: I also think that Zoom school, for those of us who like went through that um totally had an impact on the way that people work like– 

Yasmine Hamady: And work from home too. 

Fiona Pestana: And yeah, I mean, Zoom school was all about shortcuts and cheating and just figuring out a way to get through the day while the world feels like it’s crumbling, which leads to a lot of shortcuts and a lot of I think, yeah, disillusionment. And that can lead to entitlement. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: Um. And I feel like that’s definitely carried into the workforce. Like it’s very I mean, that transition for anyone at any age was really difficult, but especially going from like, like Zoom school or just living on your computer to okay, now I have to reintegrate myself into a society with people of all sorts of ages and not just people my age and figuring out like how to manage those dynamics. Um it’s just I think we’re all still learning– 

Yasmine Hamady: I was gonna say– 

Fiona Pestana: -what that looks like we’re so young. Like, yeah, it’s hard to say what Gen Z in the workplace will- 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah.

Fiona Pestana: –end up looking like. Because–. 

Yasmine Hamady: No. 

Fiona Pestana: Right now it’s still definitely– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: –in flux. 

Yasmine Hamady: I feel like it’s also like we’re still figuring out what the work life, what a workplace looks like now after the pandemic. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Because a lot of people are hybrid work from home, don’t work from home, come to the office. But also I’ve looked into it. A lot of companies are possibly thinking about doing the four day workweek as well, which I feel like is so much better for everyone. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Which we should. 

Yasmine Hamady: Which we should be doing. Um. There was a study about it, and you do have much more productivity with doing four days of work rather than five. 

Fiona Pestana: Right. 

Yasmine Hamady: Um. But. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. Gen Z just has to find the balance between like knowing our worth, knowing we have good ideas, knowing that we deserve rest. 

Yasmine Hamady: And staying perseverant about it. 

Fiona Pestana: But also. But yeah, also like being persevering and working hard and, you know, going through the turmoils and the struggles of a workplace and not just being like, this is dumb, I’m leaving, I have better ideas, I’ll go somewhere else. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: You know. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Or. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Or I’m not going to care. And I don’t want to work with other people and I don’t want to be collaborative. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I’m all for reinventing the scope. The scope of what us working– 

Yasmine Hamady: –Together. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –as a society looks like. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I think we need to. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I think how we work currently under the infrastructure that we live under is not sustainable. 

Yasmine Hamady: No, it’s not. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: It’s not. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I think that it doesn’t value people’s personal life and mental health and family life. So I think that needs to happen. But I think it’s beautiful like what you said Fi. I think we’re figuring that out right now. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: What that looks like and also what people’s preferences are and I understand people that only want to work remotely. And there are people that enjoy the energy of going into an office every day. Um. But I do think it’s really beautiful that I think Gen Z is adamant of like living in our truth. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And figuring out like, Oh, I don’t want to work the way my parents did. And that’s okay–

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah boundaries. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –so I’m going to figure something new out. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I think that’s cool. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I think that’s cool. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Next question. 

Fiona Pestana: So 41 year old mom here, do you think we look dumb in current– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. 

Fiona Pestana: –trends? Like, are we trying too hard? 

Yasmine Hamady: Uh shit. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Can I be honest? No. 

Fiona Pestana: Yes, please. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. And maybe. But also subjective, because. I love to see someone drive and have fun. Like if you’re not hurting someone. And and also I’m like, what trends do you mean now? Like– 

Fiona Pestana: Right. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –if you’re telling me you’re trying to force forcibly look like a 15 year old, that is odd. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Um. But if you’re, like, you have eclectic style and you like to make a TikTok and you happen to be 41, I think that’s great. Life is short. Have fun. Discover new things like if we’re being honest, like TikTok didn’t exist, and if you like a sound and you want to make a TikTok, that’s cute. That’s cool. Like– 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I think we need to be easier on each other and on ourselves. Like– 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: It depends what trend we’re talking about now mama. 

Fiona Pestana: Embrace your– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: So you know, let’s not– 

Fiona Pestana: –cringe. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Let’s not– 

Fiona Pestana: Embrace your cringe.

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, just do whatever you want to do. As long as you’re not offending anyone or yourself, or harming anyone or yourself. Like live, laugh, and fucking love. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah I’m like– 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Let’s not put your job in jeopardy. Let’s not maybe do anything too explicit, too uh– 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. But like live laugh and–

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You know. 

Yasmine Hamady: –love. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You know. 

Yasmine Hamady: Do what you gotta do. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: To to embarrass your children. But yeah, I’m like the trends. If you want to put on the MSCHF boots, go ahead. You want to make– 

Yasmine Hamady: Not the what are the mischief boots? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: –an instagram reel. Go ahead.

Fiona Pestana: Oh my gosh. The big chunky red boots! 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Am I saying it wrong?

Fiona Pestana: No. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: The big chunk red ones. 

Fiona Pestana: You’re totally saying it right. 

Yasmine Hamady: No, I don’t know what those are. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. 

Fiona Pestana: Um. Oh, my God. Inspired by Astro Boy, the comic. So– 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh, why are we, you guys, I’m tired. 

Fiona Pestana: I’m tired of the MSCHF boots. 

Yasmine Hamady: I’m so tired. 

Fiona Pestana: Okay, last question. Really, really fun. Put your party hosting hats on. Um. If you are stocking for a party for a Gen Z crowd, what beverages should and should not be available for the party? 

Yasmine Hamady: Do not have Smirnoff ices. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Ugh. 

Yasmine Hamady: Do not have Smirnoff ices. 

Fiona Pestana: Ices are only acceptable if they are hidden and you’re pranking someone.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: If you’re icing someone. [banter]

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. And if it’s if it’s like a prank. But– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: No ices. Um.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I think what you do have stocked even though I don’t I don’t drink any of these beverages. Um. You have Celsius, you have LaCroix, you have um what are alcoholic beverages that I [?]– 

Yasmine Hamady: You could, you could have a variety of different white claws but not a bunch because I feel like white claws were such a big thing in our college days. But I think it’s kind of over now. I feel like we’re getting into the more of the mixed drinks, so we’re going to have nice tequila. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: We’re going to be getting different types of vodka. And the only vodka that is acceptable is Tito’s. That is it. 

Fiona Pestana: Go off. 

Yasmine Hamady: And we’re going to be having– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Also the the yellow casamigos. I don’t know what it’s called, but I know people like it. 

Yasmine Hamady: Blanc– not Blanco. You’re going to have casamigos or if you’re a Kardashian bitch, 818. Um. You’re going to be having different types of drinks and mixers and always have a stockpile of ice. Always have ice with you no matter what you do. And we’re going to have chips, a loaded amount of guac, salsa. You’re going to have a charcootchie board, other known as um [indistinct Fiona in background] a charcuterie board. Um. What else do you have? 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Absolutely. 

Yasmine Hamady: Oh, photos. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: A charcuterie board. 

Yasmine Hamady: You’re going to have um Polaroid. There’s going to be a Polaroid camera. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Film cameras. 

Yasmine Hamady: Film camera on stock. Um. You’re going to have– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And a VHS camera now. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, a VHS camera. And you’re going to have a little photo op. And what a photo op is, is a photo opportunity. [laughter] A little moment that you have in the house or if whatever, wherever you have this, where people can post about it. And a ring light, I feel like a ring light and people will just always want to have. 

Fiona Pestana: I mean, if you’re having a photo booth, that is convenient lighting. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, but other than that, just like good vibes. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: Good music. 

Fiona Pestana: Completely resonate, I will say, Alycia, on your point about making sure to be stocked with Lacroix and stuff, um I threw a party recently and I bought just normal Topo Chico Sparkling Water and that went like– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. 

Fiona Pestana: –probably before the other beverages. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: The drinks. 

Fiona Pestana: That I had. Yeah, no people love sparkling water. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I’m– 

Yasmine Hamady: I– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: I’m shook, everywhere I go, the girlies are drinking Celsius and Lacroix. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And I don’t drink either of those. But I’m like more and more shook. I’m like, since when did we started drinking sparkling water like that? Like, I feel non boujee because I don’t enjoy sparkling water, but it’s like– 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Literally every time we’re at dinner, like two of my friends are always like sparkling water. Agua con gas. Agua con gas.

Yasmine Hamady: Well, Alycia whenever you and I go out, I’m I I’ll they’ll be like, still or sparkling. You say still, I say sparkling. Like that’s just what it is. 

Fiona Pestana: I feel like when people want to not buy, like not spend the money on a fun beverage. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: But they still want a fun beverage. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yup. 

Fiona Pestana: They do sparkling water. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: Um. I also will say, I think Gen Z loves a hard booch. Loves a hard kombucha um and– 

Yasmine Hamady: Well, if you live in– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: You’re right. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: A hard kombucha. Also like gin and tonic. Always tonic water, always– 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah. 

Yasmine Hamady: –have lemon and lime cut up. Um.

Fiona Pestana: True, true. 

Yasmine Hamady: Just have a good fucking time with good music and like, not really give that much of a shit. 

Fiona Pestana: Yeah, the vibes. The vibes matter more than the beverages. I think.

Yasmine Hamady: And that is it. I feel like that is all– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Absolutely. 

Yasmine Hamady: –we have for our our elderly geriatric community, our Roth IRA community. Our [laughter] our um 401k type B– 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: AARP. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Alycia, AARP community. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah, that was that was beautiful. Now you guys have tips on how to throw a Gen Z party on what we may be bringing or not bringing to the workspace? Um. Our connection to millennials it was great. [music break]

Yasmine Hamady: Okay, so Alycia, Josie, and I have a little announcement um for you all, and that is that next week’s episode of Dare We Say, will be our last episode of uh Dare We Say. Um. We’ll get into it in next week’s episode. We’ll talk about why we’ve come to this decision. Um. And there’s no bad news. There’s no like aw why can’t we do this? We’re not being able to do this. We thought about it long and hard as best friends and we feel like this is what’s best. And we’ll give you the tea on what’s coming up next for all three of us. So make sure to stick around and we’ll see you next week. 

Fiona Pestana: And in the meantime, wait, can I. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: May I? 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: It would be an honor. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 

Fiona Pestana: Um. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Please. 

Fiona Pestana: Make sure to, like, comment, subscribe, listen, wherever you get your podcasts. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 

Fiona Pestana: Um. It’s always– 

Yasmine Hamady: [?] to say that. 

Fiona Pestana: It’s always the most like normal basic things that you guys say on the mic that I’m like, uh, it would be so fun to say that one day. 

Yasmine Hamady: Well, I’m glad you said it. 

Fiona Pestana: So. 

Yasmine Hamady: Yay! 

Fiona Pestana: Thanks for having me. 

Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yay I’m so happy you said it. [music break]

Josie Totah: Dare We Say is a Crooked Media production. 

Yasmine Hamady: Caroline Reston is our showrunner, producer and Mommy and Ari Schwartz is our producer and show Daddy. Fiona Pestana is our associate producer and Sandy Girard is the Almighty executive producer. 

Josie Totah: It’s hosted and produced by me, Josie Totah. 

Yasmine Hamady: And me, Yasmine Hamady.

Alycia Pascual-Peña: And me, Alycia Pascual-Peña. Our engineer and editor is Jordan Cantor. And Brian Vasquez is our theme music composer. Our video producers are Matt DeGroot, Narineh Melkonian and Delon Villanueva and Mia Kellman. 

Josie Totah: Lastly, thank you to Jordan Silver. Gabriela Leverette, Jesse McLean, Caroline Heywood, Shaina Hortsmann, Deisi Cruz, Danielle Jensen and Ewa Okulate for marketing the show and making us look so damn good.