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January 12, 2023
Dare We Say
Trend Forecasts, Football Problems, and Falling in Love

In This Episode

Is this an episode of the View?! Josie, Alycia, and Yasmine start a new segment, Hot Topics, where they each bring stories to the table to discuss. This week: Damar Hamlin, Prince Harry’s memoir, North West’s TikTok, a bad chef gone viral, and 2023 trend forecasting. Plus, another new segment called Bone to Pick; this episode, Yas rants about pro-life haters.

Show Notes

Study reveals footballers more likely to have worse brain health after age of 65
Racial Disparities and Player Health
Kim Kardashian Is Facing Backlash For A “Weird And Uncomfortable” TikTok Video Of North West, 9, Dressed Up As Her Dad Kanye West
Oxtail Pasta Chef Tweets: one, two
It’s a blast watching Harry and Meghan beat the press at its own game





Josie Totah: Where are you right now Yasmine? Are you in– 


Yasmine Hamady: Me? 


Josie Totah: –London still? You’re on your euro trip. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Little old you? 


Josie Totah: Are you in Scotland? 


Yasmine Hamady: So, [?]– 


Josie Totah: Manchester?


Yasmine Hamady: Paris. I just got in from Paris this morning. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: She’s a euro baddie. 


Yasmine Hamady: Um. You guys. I’m in Manchester with my lover. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. Ah! 


Josie Totah: All right, let’s get into it. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yup, I’m here. 


Josie Totah: I’m. I’m Josie. For those who don’t remember or wanted to forget.


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mmm. No one would want to forget. I’m Alycia. 


Yasmine Hamady: And I’m your dad’s favorite. Yasmine. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yay. 


Josie Totah: Okay, this is Dare We Say. Yasmine, why are you in Manchester? Tell us?


Yasmine Hamady: So. So. Okay, so I’m just going to spill the fucking tea. So basically, since September, I’ve been talking to this person. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mm hmm. 


Yasmine Hamady: She’s probably. She. Oh, by the way, she’s a she. Yeah. Anyways, came out to my dad this weekend. It was cool. Um.


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Huge deal, proud of you. Continue.


Yasmine Hamady: And it was amazing, you know, went as well as like, you know, as I’m very privileged, my dad was like, okay, great amazing. So what have you told her about me? Like as an Arab man making it about himself. I’m like–


Josie Totah: –Your dad sounds like Elizabeth Holmes. [laughter] He’s like an Arab man.


Yasmine Hamady: My dad my dad literally is, he’s not Elizabeth Holmes, but [indistinct].


Alycia Pascual-Peña: He is the star of the show, though. I have to say.


Yasmine Hamady: My dad is the star of this show. The apple doesn’t fall far, but basically, I’ve been talking to this person for months now and we’ve never met. I know catfish, I could have been dealing with an 80 year old man with with a micro penis and– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh no. 


Yasmine Hamady: –Um in like, like nine arms and an alien from from Venus. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Yasmine Hamady: But I didn’t. I came from the airport, you guys. I was shitting my pants. [laughter] I actually couldn’t sleep for the last couple of nights. I was walking in. I swear to God, she’s probably listening through the other door. But I was walking in listening to, what song? All Too Well, by Taylor Swift, the ten minute version. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh gosh. 


Josie Totah: Oh wow.


Yasmine Hamady: Because I have a vision in my head. I have a vision in my head. And if it doesn’t go as planned then might as well just not go. And I almost let my luggage go around a second time because I was so nervous and I just didn’t want I just couldn’t go through the door. And I was walking through the door and there she oh my God, guys, it was straight out of a movie. She was leaning on the wall with her jacket, and she just looked at me and she was like, you okay, princess? Because that’s what she calls me. 


Josie Totah: [laugh] This is like– 


Yasmine Hamady: As a pillow princess. 


Josie Totah: –it sounds like you’re– 


Yasmine Hamady: I’m kidding. I’m kidding. 


Josie Totah: –a scene in stand by me or something. 


Yasmine Hamady: No, it sounds like it’s a scene in a Hallmark Christmas show. 


Josie Totah: Oh okay it’s like that. 


Yasmine Hamady: Starring. Yeah, it’s kind of giving that. And I was like, Oh, my God. And we both were just shaking and we’re like, Is this real? We’ve been talking and face timing and, like, falling asleep together, like over face time and like, building and fostering a relationship over a fucking phone. This is Joaquin Phoenix’s dream in Her. Like, this is what it is. And there it is.


Josie Totah: Has it, so it’s been amazing? Because this is the first time you all have ever been together in person? 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, And it’s funny. It’s like they say, like, you know, right when you meet someone, like the spark is either there or it’s not. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mm. 


Josie Totah: Is it? 


Yasmine Hamady: Um. It’s very much there. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wow. And how how long are you guys going to be together? 


Josie Totah: Yeah. How long is your relationship going to last? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: No, no no no no no! 


Yasmine Hamady: Uh two weeks.


Josie Totah: How long is the relationship going to last? 


Yasmine Hamady: So– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like how many days are you guys hanging out? 


Josie Totah: [banter] So what is it going to last, two weeks? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Stop. 


Josie Totah: Three? 


Yasmine Hamady: Yes. How long is this last? No, like it. You know, we’re taking it day by day. It it was we’re just here together and we’re going to Scotland this weekend um Josie. We’re going to– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: You Edinburgh girl. 


Yasmine Hamady: –your side of town. I know we talked last episode how you were there for seven months, eight months– 


Josie Totah: You’re going to my hometown?


Yasmine Hamady: –and I didn’t come. But here I am.


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Your place of origin.


Josie Totah: And I, I sent you all the recs. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. So Josie sent me, like, this long of a text, a very long text of and also, can I just say the grammar in there, and there was no punctuations whatsoever. It was a run on sentence–. 


Josie Totah: Because– 


Yasmine Hamady: It was, it was hard to read. 


Josie Totah: Because I wrote that like in the middle of the night for Omar when he visited me. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, it’s great. We’re going this weekend. I’m really excited and isn’t she beautiful? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: She really is. 


Josie Totah: She’s pretty. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mm hmm. 


Josie Totah: I have to say, I’m coming in with a fire under my butt because someone left a note on my car just shy of 20 minutes ago that says I’m a cunt who can’t park. And it’s written [gasp] in such incredible– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: –Font and they’re– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wonderful penmanship. 


Josie Totah: –Handwriting skills. It’s just incredible. And I’m going to leave it on my car like a bumper sticker. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: It also was a big piece of paper. Like it wasn’t no like sticky note in the car. Like, thought went into that. 


Josie Totah: And I’m going to keep it there um because I want everyone to know. So God bless whoever that is. If you wrote that, I’m a cunt who can’t park, on a silver SQ8 um in Los Angeles on what day is it today? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Tuesday. 


Yasmine Hamady: Tuesday the 10th also, can I just say– 


Josie Totah: On Tuesday. Please hit me up because you might be the love of my life. [laugh]


Yasmine Hamady: Um. There’s no way that’s your first time being called a cunt on the road. 


Josie Totah: No, it’s not. 


Yasmine Hamady: Or like– 


Josie Totah: There– 


Yasmine Hamady: There it is. 


Josie Totah: –it had happened once before. At at–


Yasmine Hamady: Yup. 


Josie Totah: –Sushi Dan in Studio City. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh, yeah. 


Josie Totah: So, yeah, in this era of being a cunt, let’s start this cunty episode. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Today is our first Dare We News where we are excited to get into some hot topics. 


Josie Totah: Let’s do it. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 




Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay, guys, I’m actually very excited about this episode because we are doing something new. We are starting a little hot topic series where we just talk about things that are happening in the world that we care about, we find interesting– 


Josie Totah: That we’re obsessed with. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –A little bit weird um and we just bring it to the table and we invite you to hang out with us and talk about random shit too. 


Josie Totah: You guys. There’s so much going on in the world right now. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: So much. 


Josie Totah: I feel like. Do you guys feel like America is a hellhole? I’m sorry. Dads are driving their Teslas off of cliffs. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. 


Josie Totah: Like– 


Yasmine Hamady: Awful. 


Josie Totah: People are getting killed left and right. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: Football players are having heart attacks. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Absolutely. Well– 


Josie Totah: Is he a football player? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: He look, Oh, my God. 


Josie Totah: Is he [?]?


Alycia Pascual-Peña: No, no, no, no, no. 


Yasmine Hamady: Okay, enough. You’re like–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: [rolling tongue making clicking sounds] He’s in the back. Um. Yeah. So many just weird things– 


Josie Totah: Is he in the basketball? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: No, baby, he’s not in the basketball. He he’s [banter] He do not do the hockey.


Yasmine Hamady: He’s not in the sports. He’s not in the athletics. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: [?] Baseball. Okay. 


Josie Totah: What’s his sport? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: But he’s not in his sport, his football. Um.


Josie Totah: Okay. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Damar’s, that this is probably one of the most interesting intros to that conversation um that has been had this week. So that tickled me. But Damar um–


Yasmine Hamady: That tickled you. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –is a football player who collapsed in the middle of the game and they stopped a game which if you know anything about NFL, that is like unheard of it is–


Josie Totah: Really? 


Yasmine Hamady: Mmm. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –Unprecedented. They keep games going when like– 


Josie Totah: –even if people die or like get hurt?


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Well, that’s the thing. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yes. Yes. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Thank God people don’t usually die during um national sport games, but they do get hurt like people tear ACLs, people break their legs. People have injuries where they’re like paralyzed for um a moment, like awful, awful things. And people unfortunately, sports have just gotten really accustomed to okay like we keep it pushing after moments like that. So um obviously this horrible thing happened. Thank God Damar. 


Josie Totah: What happened? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: They had to resuscitate him like he died and like they literall– 


Josie Totah: Oh damn.  


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: Okay wait break it down for me. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. So Damar Hamlin is a football player and during a football game um he collapsed, right? And they literally declared– 


Josie Totah: Was he in mid play? Or was he just like on the bench and fell over? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: No, babe. No no no.


Yasmine Hamady: No, he was on the field. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: He was on the field. 


Josie Totah: Oh shit. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: He was on the field and he collapsed and they literally declared him dead, girl like and they had to resuscitate him. And obviously this was like an extremely traumatizing event. Like they didn’t know what was going to happen. Like, this man is phenomenal. When he woke up, he literally asked, like, did we win the game? That was the first thing he said. And the doctor said, You won like you won life. Like you won, babe. And um. In this game like a bunch of the players from both teams, which if you know anything about NFL, they’re super competitive. They’re kind of is this like energy of um just aggression the whole time and the whole game stopped. And both teams really beautifully rallied around this man to hope that he would live and prayed on the field. 


Josie Totah: Wow. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: But unfortunately, the discourse that followed that awful event um was pretty inhumane. Like there were debates on ESPN being like, awful things happen, but we keep going. Like it’s-


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –You know, we’re we’re—


Josie Totah: People were mad that they stopped the game because he collapsed? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: There were. Um. I’m forgetting the name of the show, but um there are these two like reporters where one of them made a tweet and he was saying, look, I’m praying for the family, but then gives like an analysis on how it’s too late in the season and how, you know, we have to focus on football. And that’s just how this game is, whatever it may be. 


Yasmine Hamady: No. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: So unfortunately, like, this awful thing happened. But it was a really interesting discourse after because obviously there were humane people in compassion–


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –Being flooded not only to Damar and his family, but also to the players that were just traumatized. This is awful. Um. But then there was an even larger conversation right about sports and how maybe the safety precautions in which we have, especially on a sport that is as gruesome and barbaric as football, need to change, you know, and then– 


Josie Totah: Right I feel like there’s no protections– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like– 


Josie Totah: –For football players. And I’m always talking about people getting concussions left and right. I’m like– 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: I literally thought you died after like one concussion, the way people are just moving about life. Like I’ve had nine– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. 


Josie Totah: –concussions. Like–. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: It’s. It’s insane. 


Yasmine Hamady: I was going to say there wasn’t there like a recent study that showed, like the people who were in the NFL or played like D-1 football all the way and they like, took them when they were like 60 or 70 years old. They’re like ten times more likely to get dementia and– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Yasmine Hamady: –Alzheimer’s and memory loss and the amount of like body aches and and and trauma that their bodies go through. At what point it’s like, yes, it’s an entertaining game. But but also that this is a human life– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah it’s– 


Yasmine Hamady: –too. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: And like the irony is football is actually my favorite sport. I think it’s a great sport. I love sports games, but it’s undebatable that things need to change because of how these men have to deal with the aftermath after they play. And then literally–. 


Josie Totah: Yeah. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –no less than a week later, I think it was a high school or college game. A basketball– 


Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –Player collapsed– 


Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: And like, fell to the ground in the middle of the game. 


Josie Totah: What? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes. Yo like– 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: And there needs to be a much larger conversation of how do we protect men, specifically Black men who are playing these sports. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Um. And we have a larger conversation about concussions and how do we prepare them. And maybe, you know, we don’t let children start at peewee football running these crazy drills, you know? Um. 


Josie Totah: And also, like, creates this idea in your head, like, you’re not working hard enough unless you’re in pain. Or like– 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah.  


Josie Totah: –You’re about to collapse or you’re struggling. Because I think– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: –that, like, that is a big thing, too with sports like pushing yourself to the brink and like, they’re not really taught self care. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mm hmm.


Josie Totah: And in that way. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I think that sports in a lot of ways is beautiful. It’s great comradery, teamwork, awesome. But there is an aspect of like your body now is this commodity and like, maybe we need to shift how we talk and how we prepare people to play sports and how do we protect people so that moments like this don’t happen. How do we protect people to not push themselves past exhaustion and putting their health literally in jeopardy? You know, like my best friend’s like one of my best friends, David. He played D1 football and in high school he was told you need to stop because he had had so many concussions from playing at the age of five up until his adulthood and then was left with the aftermath of multiple injuries. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: You know what I mean? 


Yasmine Hamady: I said it’s very interesting because it’s like you see from such a young age, specifically in like the Black community and a lot of times in the Polynesian community as well. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mm hmm. 


Yasmine Hamady: That this is like your breakout. This is how you get out of your small town. This is how you get a full ride to a college is we’re going to train you we’re gonna, we’re gonna ingrain this idea that if you’re not in pain, if you’re not hustling or waking up at five in the morning, if you’re not eating this food, having this amount of calories, not drinking, not doing any of these things, then you’re not going to be successful. You’re not going to have money for your family one day. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Absolutely. 


Yasmine Hamady: And then and then you have these commentators who are if you look at ESPN, if you look at the sports newscasters, majority are white like–


Josie Totah: Yeah. 


Yasmine Hamady: –Like the majority. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: And–


Yasmine Hamady: I know that– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: And also– 


Josie Totah: And and the majority of the white– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I was just– 


Josie Totah: –Manager, the managers are white. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I was just going to say if you– 


Yasmine Hamady: Yes! Yes.


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –really want to– 


Josie Totah: People in positions of power are all white people. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Exactly. I would have said if you really want to take it there. The– 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –disparities racially and socioeconomically on sports teams. 


Yasmine Hamady: Oh my god. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: The managers, the most of the time, head coaches– 


Josie Totah: [indistinct] 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –are white and aren’t from the communities that these players come from. And then also, if you really want to talk about it specifically with football, most quarterbacks are white and they’re the highest paid on the field. Then the people who are– 


Yasmine Hamady: Yup. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –taking the brunt, like people who work defense and are taking the hits most of the time are Black individuals. And don’t even get me started on the drafting and recruiting process, the recruiting process– 


Yasmine Hamady: No–. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –For colleges and then the drafting process. Like I have had boys personally tell me how you are lined up in a room and they are measuring things and how high can you jump? And I understand in sports there’s a certain sense of athleticism that you want to see how people excel. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: But they are pretty inhumane practices when you talk about sports in nuance. And I do think that there’s a lot of space for change, and I pray that there’s more compassion and we talk more about implementing mental health and the longevity of people’s lives in sports overall college and professional. Um. But yeah, it’s really disheartening and I’m– 


Yasmine Hamady: It’s– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –just really thankful that Damar is like alive right now. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, it’s funny. It’s not funny. It’s it’s interesting you bring this up and the only thing that like the thing that keeps going into my head. And also, can I say America is one of the only countries in the world that plays football like American football. So let’s just– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mm hmm.  


Josie Totah: Yasmine’s like I’ve been in the UK for two weeks. Can I just say that– 


Yasmine Hamady: No. 


Josie Totah: We don’t do that here. 


Yasmine Hamady: Can I just say–


Josie Totah: We’re different. 


Yasmine Hamady: Can I just say as as a Brit, myself, as a Brit myself, I don’t like that about Matt Healy, Matt Healy, I like Brittany Bronski when she does that impersonation, but um it reminds me of The Hunger Games. It literally reminds me of The Hunger Games, how you have people at the ESPN and like the like the higher boxes of the owners and the stakeholders of the games and the stakeholders of the teams just huddling along, betting on each other, betting on different teams, betting on people. And then these people are getting hurt. And you and also I feel like there must be a study out there that shows that like when there’s fights in the hockey field, there’s fights or something breaks out on the court or the field– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Um. 


Yasmine Hamady: –People engage more. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: The correlation between domestic violence and athletes– 


Yasmine Hamady: Violence yes. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Because they don’t– 


Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Because they don’t talk to them about the fact that you cannot be a violent person everywhere. Keep that shit on the field. But that’s not what people–. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yup. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –Care about. There are a lot of coaches, you feel me, that are like, You need to be this all the time. You need to not cry. You need to, no, like you’re not curating these holistic human beings that, you know, are compassionate. I very much believe that, you know, you can quote unquote, “have that dog in you” and be a great athlete and be competitive and be a LeBron James, but also be loving and compassionate. 


Josie Totah: And take care of yourself. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: That’s why I love seeing– 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: –Rappers and sports people in grocery stores like buying healthy food. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh, my gosh. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 


Josie Totah: Like the other day, Alycia and I were at Erewhon, we never go there. But we went this one day. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mm hmm. 


Josie Totah: And we saw NLE Choppa, just him with his group like– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: Chop Choppa go blocka. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I love that you said group, his lil entourage. Okay. 


Josie Totah: His little entourage.


Yasmine Hamady: His entourage. 


Josie Totah: I mean, that man had his cart filled to the brim. And that just brought me joy and like, I love that men are starting to take care of themselves more, especially like rappers. I feel like you would never you would just be I don’t know. You wouldn’t assume that because prejudice. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: But I just loved that. 


Yasmine Hamady: Prejudice. 


Josie Totah: I love that.


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Prejudice. [banter] Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 


Josie Totah: You guys, it took me genuinely like 40 minutes to find an outfit today. Note that I did end up wearing denim jeans and a white shirt. And literally the person like, this is why I need you to come back to California, because I need to learn how to dress myself. And you were like– 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: –My person that I depended on. But since we’re entering– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yas has styled the both of us. 


Josie Totah: I know. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mm hmm. 


Josie Totah: Since we’re entering 2023, what do you think are trend projections Yas? 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah so– 


Josie Totah: Where are we going? 


Yasmine Hamady: So, you know, Josie, I’m honestly really grateful that you brought this up. I’m I’m more grateful than I’ve ever been in my entire life because I feel like 2023 is going to be a big year. I think there’s two things that are coming out this year, and I’m not one of them’s me. It’s one, bold. All I see is bright colors, bold. 


Josie Totah: Bold or bulk? 


Yasmine Hamady: Bold, but you should buy in bulk. It’s better for the environment, but bold– 


Josie Totah: Is it? 


Yasmine Hamady: Second is community. I think book clubs are in this year. I think more things with communities like more groups will be made. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I know someone in a book club. 


Yasmine Hamady: I love it. No, but like more group chats, more group outings, more community. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Ooh. 


Yasmine Hamady: I think people are going to rely on each other more this year. I feel like individual individualistic styles are going to be in, but community oriented lifestyles are going to be uh crucial. Does that make sense? 


Josie Totah: Yeah. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I think that makes sense yeah. 


Yasmine Hamady: I don’t know, because maybe I feel like– 


Josie Totah: People are outside like never before. 


Yasmine Hamady: People except right now because of the the the rain–


Josie Totah: Horrifying– 


Yasmine Hamady: –and the bullshit. 


Josie Totah: –tropicana rain that is [?].


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. What’s going on? 


Josie Totah: [?]. 


Yasmine Hamady: It’s the rainforest in L.A. Apparently California is like 99.9% more wet than the entire Earth right now on land. 


Josie Totah: My favorite thing, I call it a cunt walk. It’s walking– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. 


Josie Totah: –In the rain without a hood or a jacket, and you’re just like strutting unbothered. I just that’s my favorite thing to do when it rains. 


Yasmine Hamady: It’s giving– 


Josie Totah: Because then everyone looks at you–


Yasmine Hamady: No I’m so– 


Josie Totah: –like, what’s happening? [laugh] But my hair looks better– 


Yasmine Hamady: No but it’s– 


Josie Totah: –When it’s wet. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Uh tea.


Yasmine Hamady: No, it does. It it’s well, not saying that your hair looks better when it’s wet, but like– 


Josie Totah: No, thank you. 


Yasmine Hamady: There’s something about– 


Josie Totah: Tell me that I’m ugly with dry hair. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Ay yi dios mio.


Yasmine Hamady: You are ugly with dry hair. We’re all ugly with dry hair. But it’s something about also wearing a white t shirt Josie like wearing a white t shirt in the in the rain with your wet hair and then you can almost see like a see through– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: It was planned. 


Yasmine Hamady: –of the nips. Like, you know, you’re walking that runway. 


Josie Totah: Okay, so you’re telling us that we’re being buying in bulk is coming back and communities and being bold? 


Yasmine Hamady: Fuck you. Fuck you as well I’ll say first.


Alycia Pascual-Peña: And no. You said bold colors which I love because if you know anything about me– 


Josie Totah: Wait. But Yas– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I love a color. 


Josie Totah: Tell us more. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: What else?


Yasmine Hamady: So. So if you want to talk fashion, I’ll give you the niche streetwear brands like Diesel, Digital Cameras, new Balances, Daddies Money, The resurgence of the Adidas Gazelles and their Gucci collab ruffles mesh flowers unedited but edited photos at the same time, post posting multiple times a day, being real, continuing not to be real. Rocking the makeup you wore the last night before the next day. That’s what’s fucking in. 


Josie Totah: Okay, let’s break this down. 


Yasmine Hamady: I want ruffles.


Josie Totah: Let’s break this down. So you’re saying posting multiple times a day is going to–


Yasmine Hamady: It’s going to come back. 


Josie Totah: –be back in again? Because I feel like Instagram kind of died. I feel like I definitely don’t use it anymore. I find Instagram, you know what I feel like posting on Instagram, I feel– 


Yasmine Hamady: When? 


Josie Totah: –like I am I feel like I just I feel like when I post on Instagram, it is as if I just bought like a red pair of panties and a bra. And I’m going in to Times Square and I’m standing on top of a building forcing everybody– 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: –putting a gun to everybody’s head–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. 


Josie Totah: –telling them to look at me. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. 


Josie Totah: Like it’s so embarassing. 


Yasmine Hamady: I know what you know– 


Josie Totah: It feels embarassing. [banter]


Yasmine Hamady: –that is. No. I agree with that. I agree with that. Posting on Instagram–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: A lot of people don’t use Instagram anymore. Like– 


Yasmine Hamady: No but– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –I have friends that have deleted the app. They don’t want–


Yasmine Hamady: What!? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –the app on their phone. 


Josie Totah: I love that. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like at all. 


Yasmine Hamady: See. I don’t I I don’t blame them because here’s the thing like what Josie said about wearing like basically being nude on Times Square and everyone laughing at you and pointing at you and saying you’re not enough. That’s what Instagram is. 


Josie Totah: I didn’t say I didn’t– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: She didn’t s– she didn’t say that last part. 


Josie Totah: –say that everyone was pointing at me but- 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: She didn’t– 


Yasmine Hamady: I added that part because I– 


Josie Totah: Okay. 


Yasmine Hamady: Whenever I post on Instagram, I’m like, tell me I’m enough. And that’s on therapy next week. But–


Josie Totah: My next comment on your Instagram post is just the word enough.


Alycia Pascual-Peña: You are enough. [laughing]


Josie Totah: This is giving enough. 


Yasmine Hamady: You know what. 


Josie Totah: We should make that a trend. 


Yasmine Hamady: We should make that a merch. We should make that merch. 


Josie Totah: Like so enough.


Alycia Pascual-Peña: But I don’t know why when you say you are enough, it’s like, oh, that’s validating that’s empowering. When you just say enough. I mean, I feel like that sounds like, stop we don’t want anymore. 


Yasmine Hamady: That means– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like this is–


Yasmine Hamady: –Shut the fuck up. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: This is enough. 


Yasmine Hamady: That means shut the fuck up. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Yasmine Hamady: No, but, but, here okay, so another trend is like for TikTok. A lot of first of all, when I post– 


Josie Totah: Girl. 


Yasmine Hamady: –which I’ve made a second–


Josie Totah: –not this not this person messaging me. 


Yasmine Hamady: Who? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Girl did you just stop the– 


Josie Totah: I’m sorry. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –middle of her talking? 


Yasmine Hamady: Fuck you. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: What did he say? 


Josie Totah: He just– 


Yasmine Hamady: Who is it? 


Josie Totah: He just–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: We can’t say.


Josie Totah: He sent me this– 


Yasmine Hamady: Why can’t you say?


Josie Totah: –emoji. Oh, fuck. Sorry. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: What the fuck!


Yasmine Hamady: It’s okay, so [banter] let’s let’s let’s focus, let’s focus. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay, on TikTok. 


Yasmine Hamady: So whenever I’m on TikTok, I feel like I’m talking into a void and like, no one wants to talk [pause]– 


Josie Totah: You feel like you’re talking to a void when you’re on TikTok. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mm hmm.


Yasmine Hamady: Sorry, I just. I had to interrupt because they were holding hands and I wasn’t there, so. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: We weren’t holding hands. [laughter]


Josie Totah: You’re having hallucinations. 


Yasmine Hamady: So– 


Josie Totah: You guys I chugged so much coffee. I chugged so much– 


Yasmine Hamady: Gaslighting me. 


Josie Totah: Can I be honest right now? I’m having really– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: We actually didn’t hold hands. 


Josie Totah: –bad anxiety. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I’m so sorry. 


Josie Totah: I’m really bad anxiety. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: You guys, guys, guys. Okay, look let’s take a– 


Josie Totah: [laugh] Sorry. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –centering moment. 5 seconds centering moment. 


Josie Totah: Okay. 


Yasmine Hamady: 5 seconds centering. [breathing]


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Five, four, three, two– 


Josie Totah: You’re giving me more anxiety counting– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –one. 


Josie Totah: –Down like that. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: What the fuck? 


Josie Totah: Okay. Yas–


Yasmine Hamady: Okay. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yas, TikTok. 


Josie Totah: Yasmine. TikTok. 


Yasmine Hamady: I’m done. I’m done with TikTok. Gaslighting’s in in 2020 and no one can tell me otherwise. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Gaslighting, gatekeeping, and girl bossing. Are we bringing that from 2022?


Yasmine Hamady: No gatekeeping is not. No gatekeeping is not in. Girl bossing is not in. Gaslighting on the other hand. That is in. 


Josie Totah: And gaykeeping. Keep the gays. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Can I be honest? I think [?]–


Josie Totah: You’re peaking. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. Thank you so much. I know what you meant with the mic. But um why are you making that face? 


Josie Totah: Do you love that I don’t even–


Yasmine Hamady: Because I–


Josie Totah: –I can’t even see the soundboard. And I knew she was peaking. Was she peaking? 


Producer: Yes. 


Josie Totah: Yeah, see. I felt that. 


Yasmine Hamady: Was she peaking? [laughter]


Alycia Pascual-Peña: You know what that felt like, that [?]–


Josie Totah: I felt it in my soul. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: What are those like, what are those, like, where people will be asked questions, and then it’s like, that’s the truth. What are those I love those, we need to go get one. 


Yasmine Hamady:  Oh, the Vogue– 


Josie Totah: A lie detector. 


Yasmine Hamady: –the vogue–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes. 


Josie Totah: No it’s not Vogue. 


Yasmine Hamady: The Vogue Lie detector test. 


Josie Totah: It’s Vanity Fair I think. But um. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: But anyways– 


Yasmine Hamady: Vanity Fair.


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I feel like– 


Josie Totah: But we need to get back on track. So what do you– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Some sub– 


Josie Totah: Wait what are you about to say before you say it? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I think some subcultures and minorities do need to gatekeep more. Does that make sense? 


Yasmine Hamady: Agreed. Agreed. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like I don’t think everything needs to be for everyone. I’m so like about humanity, inclusiveness– 


Yasmine Hamady: Wait you don’t– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –the collective. 


Yasmine Hamady: –think. You don’t think–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: But– 


Yasmine Hamady: –like hijabs should be for everyone or cornrows should be for everyone? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I know. Really controversial topic. 


Josie Totah: For everyone. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Also can we talk about it– 


Yasmine Hamady: For everyone? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –real quick? The way I got eaten alive from people when I said white people can’t wear braids, y’all acted if as I said the craziest thing ever. [laugh] All y’all was in my DMs.


Josie Totah: Did they? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes. Oh, my God. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yes, yes. Oh my God. Josie. I remember sitting next to Alycia and people would be like, why the fuck can’t I wear braids? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Those were the– 


Yasmine Hamady: It was like this white girl. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: And no, those were the most negative comments we’ve gotten on an episode, I promise. 


Yasmine Hamady: So I hate to say it, the general trend of the white gaze is gaining back relevance in pop culture. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mm. 


Yasmine Hamady: It’s true, and it’s definitely going to continue and the– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: How? 


Yasmine Hamady: –Kardashians are nothing if not a barometer of the zeitgeist of what’s happening? 


Josie Totah: I think you’re right about that. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mmm. 


Yasmine Hamady: I hate to say it. Like–


Josie Totah: Like think you’re white about that. 


Yasmine Hamady: You’re done. [laughter] Yeah you’re done.


Josie Totah: I think you’re right. They’re taking their BBLs out. They’re spray tanning a lot less. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 


Josie Totah: Their hair types. Suddenly, Khloe Kardashian goes from–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Isn’t it– 


Josie Totah: –looking like Ciara to looking like Taylor Swift. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mm. 


Josie Totah: It is a major shift. I agree. 


Yasmine Hamady: It is. 


Josie Totah: Tell us more. 


Yasmine Hamady: And it’s and I feel like they’re constantly the I said it once we said it with Mr. Jon Lovett here. But Kris Jenner, the devil works hard, Kris Jenner works harder And it’s they run so much of what the pop culture, the news and media outlets put out. Like what’s coming in, what’s going out. And also when you look at who runs Vogue, when you look at who runs Vanity Fair and all these major establishments and magazines, they’re usually white men and women also running what’s in right now? What’s the new trends for 2024 from now? And so it’s interesting when you have these people like the Kardashians, like you said, taking out their BBLs, taking out their hair extensions, their false lashes, their lip fillers. And now– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: It is so– 


Yasmine Hamady: –there’s going to be this whole boom of people doing the same thing. 


Josie Totah: It’s like they’re in their white era, which is so interesting. 


Yasmine Hamady: As white women. 


Josie Totah: But they can afford to shift with the trends in that way. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: And they can afford to be the ones who are making those trends. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: It is it is just so fascinating to me how people–


Yasmine Hamady: Mmm. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –How some people, you know, can just go back and forth between what features they want to have and skin tones they would like like I just it’s just funny, you know, I sit here and I don’t think that I could ever be mistaken for–


Yasmine Hamady: No. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –You know, another race if it was trendy. Um. And I feel like I’ve talked about it a lot on the pod, it it is something that irks my spirit that I think, you know, I’m going to speak on a larger level that I think it is just trendy, you know, like with this idea of like blackfishing and whatever meets the moment and, you know, being able to like appropriate when you want to and when you don’t. But something that does bring me a lot of joy and I do want to talk about is North West’s TikTok. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yup. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Have you guys seen her impersonating her dad? 


Josie Totah: Her TikTok scares me to be honest. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wait, what? I did not know this. Can we talk about it? 


Yasmine Hamady: I’m gonna be–


Josie Totah: I’m scared of it. I’m just like–


Yasmine Hamady: I feel I–


Josie Totah: She sings like, I do not want to talk about a kid in a bad way. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah, I was going to say that. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah let’s not. Let’s not.


Josie Totah: But if she’s, if she’s anything like Kanye, I’m afraid. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. You know what? [banter] 


Josie Totah: Kim seems like a good mom, though, so I feel like she’s raising her good. But you know what’s crazy? Kim doesn’t tell her children about Kanye or anything about him. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah, she– 


Josie Totah: So they don’t know anything about him as far as all the negative, the fact that he’s an anti-Semite and the fact that he has done all these, like, problematic and abusive stuff, they just think that he’s like a perfect dad. So she has to sing their songs, his songs with them in the car. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: And she even has to be subjected to North dressing up as him, which if I was her mom and my daughter [said with a NY accent] was dressing up as my abusive ex–. 


Yasmine Hamady: Not the daughter. 


Josie Totah: I would not be okay with that. I’d be like– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Listen. 


Josie Totah: –take that beard off your face. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Stop, listen. Um. It’s so fascinating because I, one we pray for all the children in the world, but um I don’t know, I love these TikToks because I feel like there’s a sense of normalcy in them. Like I love seeing her, like do shit that we all did growing up. Like, like awkward. Just like impersonating her dad and– 


Yasmine Hamady: I don’t know if I was on Tik Tok constantly and like showing– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh, no God. 


Yasmine Hamady: Like um– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Are you kidding? I didn’t– 


Yasmine Hamady: –when I was a kid, I was. I was playing with Polly Pockets. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: No, but I think that’s like the the day and age of those kids now. Like, you know, like–


Josie Totah: Which is crazy, bet there’s so many people viewing that. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: And I feel like she wants that now, but like, when she looks back, she’s going to be embarrassed. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: No, but I think that there’s like a beauty– 


Josie Totah: Like I would I’m embarrassed of my youtube video. I privated that shit.


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh, like, I think we were all embarrassed about little videos that we took. I remember like, making little singing videos and stuff, but like, I love, like, this sense of normalcy and her just like, exploring her thing– 


Yasmine Hamady: Northmalcy. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: And. Wow. Tea. Coin that.


Yasmine Hamady: Sorry. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: But– 


Yasmine Hamady: Sorry. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Um. You know, like Kim talking in that Angie Martinez interview which shout out to Angie Martinez, she is like a New York icon and legend. She’s been in like journalism for the last like dec– few decades. Um. And Kim opening up and being like, you know, I want to shield her from that stuff. I don’t know. I think that that’s really beautiful and powerful, and I hope that she gets as much space to, like, be weird and funny and do things that she finds fun. And I think it’s cool that she’s making like TikToks with her mom, like, yeah, so I I enjoy them. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. I’m gonna keep my co–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: But Kanye, obviously we don’t support here and we don’t support– 


Yasmine Hamady: No. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Anyway. 


Yasmine Hamady: Um. I’m going to keep my comments on North to a very minimum because she is a kid. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Absolutely. 


Yasmine Hamady: And I, I don’t have the most positive thoughts. So and I just I, I don’t know. There’s [pause]


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Yasmine Hamady: I don’t know. Her getting this–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: We don’t negative. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. I don’t need to say anything else. Like, I just feel like she like the skin care routine and [?] I don’t know. I don’t know. She just pisses me off. And maybe I’m jealous of her. Maybe it’s because I’m jealous of this nine year old. Truly.


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Do you want to be North? Do you want to be North? I love that.


Yasmine Hamady: Do I want to be North West? [laugh] No. No.


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I also love you respecting hood rules. We don’t talk about kids or mothers negatively. 


Yasmine Hamady: No, and that’s the thing– 


Josie Totah: I– 


Yasmine Hamady: –And also in the Arab community, like you don’t talk about your mother in law’s– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. 


Yasmine Hamady: –your Mothers. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: No. 


Yasmine Hamady: Or Kids. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Always off limits unless you want to fight. Did you see any of that chef shit that went down? Did you guys see that? 


Yasmine Hamady: What? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: On TikTok and Twitter, there was this chef that went viral um and literally it all happened just yesterday. It is– 


Josie Totah: What do you mean? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –Fresh off the press. 


Josie Totah: What happened? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: So Black Twitter went crazy. Let me pull it up. Black Twitter went– 


Josie Totah: Yeah that’s a–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –crazy because a video went viral of this like oxtail pasta. Right? And this chef–


Yasmine Hamady: What? Oxtail pasta? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay, baby, a quick little lesson. Oxtail’s super, super like huge in the Caribbean. It’s a delicacy. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: But it sometimes can be hard to buy. And also, like, there’s this whole narrative about oxtail, like it feels like home. It’s super super cultural. It’s like– 


Yasmine Hamady: Got it. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –You know, important in the Caribbean. And like, there’s all these, like, jokes and a lot of um ideas behind like ya oxtail, like going to a Jamaican spot where you get these patties and oxtail, like in in New York or Florida, whatever, and um how they sell out a lot or how oxtail can be really expensive, whatever. 


Josie Totah: Right. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: So this guy goes viral with this oxtail pasta video, and it seems like he’s lovely and pleasant, right? No, ma’am. No, ma’am. They didn’t let him have his 5 minutes of fame honey. 


Josie Totah: What’s his oxtail pasta? [gasp]


Alycia Pascual-Peña: His oxtail pasta was great had nothing to do–


Josie Totah: Who’s they? Who’s they/them/theirs? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: The person is [laughter] listen, listen. Who, who, what, where, who, what, where? Okay, so this man goes viral for his pasta and he seems lovely in the video. And then all of these girls come out dragging him to hell. And this all happened yesterday. 


Josie Totah: Why are they dragging him? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I’m telling you, I’m telling you, [laughing] I feel like a little kid who came back from the playground. I’m telling you. So this one girl–


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah yeah. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –this one girl goes, a couple of years ago, you literally told me to kill myself. 


Josie Totah: What! [gasp]


Alycia Pascual-Peña: You’re an awful person. You’re an awful person. No laughing mi gente. No laughing. This is serious as shit.


Josie Totah: Okay, okay continue. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: And then other girls come out and go, you literally called me an ugly darky a couple of [gas[] years ago. These women come out in droves, droves saying, like, you are an awful person. You do not deserve to go viral on Twitter or TikTok or anything. 


Josie Totah: Oh, my God. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: And this all happened just yesterday. 


Josie Totah: So his dark past is backfiring on him. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: And then this man this man makes a video and makes an apology and goes, you know what, cooking um– 


Josie Totah: Just play the video. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –really saved my life. 


Josie Totah: Play the video. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I’m looking for it. Someone literally said you commented on one of my pics on my old account and said my dark skin made me ugly. I was in high school [gasp], called me all types of butter face. You said if I was light skinned, I would look better. Now you’re a chef. That’s crazy. And this is his video. He posted this video three days ago. This girl’s. These girls have been dragging him to hell yesterday. Look, this is him. [clip of viral Oxtail chef video plays in background] It’s just a regular cooking video.

And he looks really nice. Whatever. 


Josie Totah: Hold it like that. Like this.


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay, so the that the video is not important. It’s all the quoted teets tweets and then– 


Yasmine Hamady: Spill some of the tweets. Spill some of the tweets. I need to hear this. Also, the girls, I’m proud of them– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Literall– 


Yasmine Hamady: If you’re listening and you’re one of the women. We are so proud of you. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: We are so proud of you. Someone literally said 2023 started off with a bang, oxtail pasta. Don’t make me explain it. It’s literally become so viral. Like, what’s crazy is, like Austin Crew, one of our close friends, literally went live and is like, these people are coming– 


Josie Totah: That was last night. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yes. 


Josie Totah: I missed the live. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: It I like–


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah I saw that live. I saw the live. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like I think it was on TikTok or something. And he literally was like, this is insane. Like people are coming out the woodworks. I wish I could find the things. Wait, because he came out with an apology and he was like, cooking saved my life. And everybody’s like making these, like, joke tweets and quoting it and being like um the Colourism just left my body because I learned how to make pasta and like all of these things. But yeah– 


Yasmine Hamady: Please. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: It’s it’s insane. And they are not letting this man succeed. And honestly, good for them. Like, he’s been awful to all these women. They were like, you don’t deserve to go viral. And that’s what happened just yesterday so. 


Josie Totah: That is crazy. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: It’s insane. 


Josie Totah: And that just shows like the truth always comes out and– 


Yasmine Hamady: Yes.  


Josie Totah: Literally. Like, no matter what you do to try to cover it, if you’re a bad person, it will come back. Austin? 


Austin Crew: Yes. 


Josie Totah: Okay so–


Yasmine Hamady: Josie! 


Josie Totah: –we’re we’re talking about the chef. Uh we’re on. This is the pod right now. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: You’re on the podcast right now. Austin. Hi, baby boy. 


Austin Crew: Okay. 


Josie Totah: We’re talking– 


Yasmine Hamady: Hi Austin! 


Josie Totah: –we’re talking about the chef that went viral on TikTok. What is your 60 second take on this horrible guy that wronged all of these girls who are now coming back to haunt him? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: The oxtail pasta man. 


Austin Crew: Oh, my god. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: It went down yesterday, didn’t it, bitch? It went down. 


Austin Crew: Oh, my God. So I still need to read up on the whole story. 


Yasmine Hamady: Austin. 


Austin Crew: But my thing is, anybody who has the heart to cook food, that is on some stuff for me is just a no no. 


Josie Totah: Right. 


Austin Crew: It’s just. Disgusting. I mean, who does that? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like [laughter] Like, I’m okay, wait, I’m a read his apology tweet because I found it. His apology he– 


Austin Crew: Okay. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –he said, to those I’ve hurt with my past tweets that have resurfaced. I’m deeply sorry. That was a moment in my life where I was sick in more ways than one. Cooking saved me. You have watched a flawed man heal. I will continue to heal and learn. Thanks for being along the journey. 


Austin Crew: Um. It’s giving very much unhinged because how was that even how long ago was that tweet? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Literally, literally. And if the way Yvette Nicole Brown, is in this man’s comments like [laugh] I’m looking at all the quotes [laugh squeal] somebody said the colorism leaving his body after learning how to cook. Like–


Austin Crew: Uh uh, wait a minute. [lauging]


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like people are saying laughing at this because they’re like, not only were you colorist to like all of these dark skinned women, which is just deplorable– 


Austin Crew: Right. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –And awful, but you also like abused women and told them to kill themselves. You don’t get to go viral. 


Austin Crew: Oh, no. Uh uh. Wait a minute. You don’t get to go viral. And uh you know that [?] gonna be right there. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: [?] that. 


Austin Crew: You know that Yvette Nicole Brown is not gonna miss that opportunity. She wanted a, she wanted a Twitter warrior. [laughter] She wanted a OG she wanted an OG Twitter warrior. It’s really not a game with Yvette. It’s giving very much lets cancel this man he’s [?] very much. He’s going to jail. [laugh] You’re going to jail. 


Josie Totah: Exactly. 


Austin Crew: You’re going to jail. 


Josie Totah: Um. Thank you for your hot take. We love you and we’re going to do this again. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Love you Austin. 


Yasmine Hamady: Love you Austin. 


Austin Crew: [?] Love you too, see you later.


Josie Totah: Talk soon, bye. 


Yasmine Hamady: Not once in that entire thing in the entire apology was there a sorry. So I don’t know what kind of apology is that? So we’ll move on. 


Josie Totah: Thank you. I’m happy that we said that, you guys. 


Yasmine Hamady: Me too. 


Josie Totah: Speaking of tea, this is my favorite type of tea because I feel like I can really get into it. White trash tea. And this–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: What is it? 


Josie Totah: –White trash tea is seeping, piping hot from the griddle on the stove that belongs to Prince Harry. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh tea. 


Josie Totah: Prince Harry’s new memoir come came out today, which is now a few days before you guys are listening to this. And it is filled with so many secrets that even me, as someone who I’m not a royalist, I’m an antiroyalist. Despite being in Scotland when the Queen died in Scotland. 


Yasmine Hamady: Please. 


Josie Totah: I think she was waiting for me. Uh. It is insane. Here are just a few things that Prince Harry exposes in this new memoir. Tell me this is not insane. Okay. Harry says that William, his brother, attacked him at one point. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh! 


Josie Totah: And that his older brother knocked him onto the floor over an argument uh about Meghan. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mhm. 


Josie Totah: Okay. That’s one thing. Another thing that happened is get ready for this. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: The brothers urged their father to not marry Camilla. 


Yasmine Hamady: Oh. 


Josie Totah: Which I did not even know. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. 


Josie Totah: Yeah. So they told their father to not marry Camilla, who’s obviously now queen, uh because they thought– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh! 


Josie Totah: –She would be a wicked stepmother. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: [gasp] No way! 


Yasmine Hamady: Um yeah.


Josie Totah: [banter] [?]. 


Yasmine Hamady: After our lady Di. Yeah. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: So he came for who is known now as the current queen, if I’m not mistaken? Is she the queen? 


Josie Totah: She is the queen consort. 


Yasmine Hamady: The stepmom yeah. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay. 


Josie Totah: Consula–whatever. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh wow. 


Josie Totah: Um. Anyway, which is tea. Okay, this is the biggest one. Harry killed 24 people in Afghanistan. He admitted to it, he when he was serving in the British army in Afghanistan. He said that in the heat of combat, he was seeing everybody as like chess pieces rather than people. And he killed 25 people. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: What? 


Josie Totah: How insane is that? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: That is absurd. 


Yasmine Hamady: I– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like that’s something you go to your grave with. 


Josie Totah: Imagine marrying someone– 


Yasmine Hamady: I was going to say– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Who’s a murderer.


Josie Totah: –knowing that they’ve killed 25 people. Like–


Yasmine Hamady: Let alone one person. 25 also– 


Josie Totah: Also I’m like I didn’t know they let actual royals serve in the mili– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: Do they have to? 


Yasmine Hamady: They did that– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Well, they– 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I think they have to. Yeah. They–


Yasmine Hamady: –they have to at least like–


Josie Totah: But I just felt like– 


Yasmine Hamady: –do something along with the military for their country.


Josie Totah: I thought like you’re just like serving, like you’re in a cute outfit if you’re a royal, you don’t have to like to do–


Yasmine Hamady: No, not–. 


Josie Totah: –anything like [?] just stand on the side. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I cannot. 


Yasmine Hamady: Not the serve. But–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: They said they put in the work 


Yasmine Hamady: I’m sorry. I’m sorry. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Whoa. 


Yasmine Hamady: You go to, that like. You go to your grave with that shit. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Absolutely. 


Yasmine Hamady: I don’t care. You need to. I know you want to get money for the memoir. Listen, I’m live laughing and loving with Harry and Meghan, but that shit should have been left for your deathbed. I’m sorry. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: That’s insane. 


Josie Totah: Isn’t that insane though. Imagine having to live with that trauma and imagine if he’s telling us that, how much more fucked up shit other royals have done in the past. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. 


Yasmine Hamady: Oh my– 


Josie Totah: That aren’t– 


Yasmine Hamady: –God. 


Josie Totah: That aren’t even just saying. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Absolutely like they have done and seen some dark stuff for sure.


Josie Totah: He also talked about stuff that I commend him for, which is his like teenage drug use. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mm. 


Josie Totah: And how he like was literally doing cocaine–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Wow. 


Josie Totah: –At 17. 


Yasmine Hamady: Didn’t he also lose his virginity outside of a dumpster? 


Josie Totah: Yes, I was just about to get into that. 


Yasmine Hamady: With an older–


Josie Totah: I was just about– 


Yasmine Hamady: Incredible. 


Josie Totah: –to get into that. He literally said that he lost his virginity to an older woman who liked horses. I don’t know why he said that. Um. And and as he said, quote, “treated me like an uh or treated me not unlike a young stallion”– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh. 


Josie Totah: Which is– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh my god. 


Josie Totah: –Really interesting. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh my god. 


Josie Totah: The woman is not named in the book, but he does say, quote, “among the many things about it that were wrong. It happened in a grassy field behind a busy pub.” He said, obviously someone had seen us, which is like I mean, he is airing it all out there. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: All of it. All the tea.


Yasmine Hamady: I mean. Sorry, that sounds like an iconic virginity story. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I guess so. 


Yasmine Hamady: Say what you will, like that is– 


Josie Totah: I hope it consensual. And he’s like, okay. 


Yasmine Hamady: I feel like if he’s telling it like that and he I feel like he wouldn’t say it. I don’t know. But also, who am I to say that? Um. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: But also, was he a minor? Okay. There’s there’s a lot going on. There’s–


Yasmine Hamady: There’s a lot. And also I– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: There’s so much going on. 


Yasmine Hamady: –I’m just thinking about I’m thinking about Meghan reading this like this. 


Josie Totah: Now, some would argue how many times do you have to tell this story? Because I feel like he’s been telling the story for so long. I mean, he they had the interview with Oprah. They have this Netflix show. They have a podcast now he has his autobiography. It’s like I yes I get they have to make money. They’re not being supported by the royal family. They have to pay millions of dollars in security. But at the same time, it’s how much is too much? And obviously the royal family or maybe not the family, but the institution itself is racist. And the family probably has like these unconscious biases because Prince Harry actually never called them racist. Meghan Markle never called them racist. Like the family themselves. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: Which the Brits love to bring up that like they accuse them of racism, whatever. That never came out of their mouths. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: But they definitely– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Which they should have. But.


Josie Totah: –had a certain level of and they could have. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: But they definitely had a certain level of bias that was overwhelming and implicit and internally racist, um which I think is just crazy. So on one hand, I’m sort of like, you need to save this conversation for at home because my mother told me never to, you know, get in fights like this with my family members in such a public way. But in another hand, it’s like if you’re being silenced, silenced to the brim. 


Yasmine Hamady: That part. 


Josie Totah: And the brink of insanity. It’s like at one point, do you just, just tell everything– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Put it all out there. 


Josie Totah: And remember. This is the same family–


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: –That leaked the letter that was written from Meghan Markle– 


Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 


Josie Totah: –To her father and confessing all of this personal stuff. And and they say allegedly. This was leaked either by the father or by the Royal family–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: –Or the institution to the British press. And yeah. 


Yasmine Hamady: See, it’s funny you bring that up because so my dad and I got into this argument because Talia sent me a screenshot. My dad commented on the BBC’s Instagram where it was like um, Harry, you should be very proud of all the things that you’ve done, but also like this is between a family. Don’t air your dirty laundry out. You live a blessed life. You have a beautiful, you have beautiful kids, you’ve a beautiful wife. And I was like, I understand. But I feel like that is so older generation. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Mm hmm. 


Yasmine Hamady: Where it’s so keep it in the family, don’t talk trauma, don’t like just smile and keep pushing. Keep moving forward in one and in one coin. Side of the coin. I understand that you can handle things internally. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Yasmine Hamady: But on another hand, this is so much deeper because this– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Agreed. 


Yasmine Hamady: –family also runs all of the media and press within the entire UK. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Yasmine Hamady: On top of that– 


Josie Totah: And they’re always– 


Yasmine Hamady: –He’s already lost his mother. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I was just– 


Josie Totah: And they’ve been leaking to the press. Like. 


Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 


Josie Totah: Forever. He says–


Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 


Josie Totah: –That at one time, uh Charles, basically he worked with a tabloid on a story about Harry and his drug use. They’ve been leaking stuff for so long. Harry talked about a time where his father, Charles, basically worked with a British tabloid about a story about Harry’s uh like reputation and his drug use. Which is– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: That’s– 


Josie Totah: –insane. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: That is disgusting. That’s my thing. Like, I I will be honest. I am not a royalist whatsoever. I am not as familiar with the family. But what I do know is, growing up, we were fed that Harry was the bad boy. Like, I don’t– 


Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –Really know about the news–


Yasmine Hamady: Yes. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –stories or the information. We were fed that Harry was the bad boy his whole life. I haven’t really cared. I’m not like a gossipy person. 


Josie Totah: But he was struggling. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: But that’s my thing, he was struggling, like. And he was dealing with mental health issues. Like–


Josie Totah: Yeah he said, he– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –Like– 


Josie Totah: –Suffered with severe anxiety and panic attacks. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like, my thing is that the matter of fact is like the public and the press has been forcing him to live in the limelight in a way that he did not choose. He did not ask for this life. The public took his mother. If we want to be honest. [banter]


Yasmine Hamady: Yes Alycia, yes.


Alycia Pascual-Peña: That that monster of uh infrastructure. Right. And I’m not saying that America is exempt from that either, just like the awful nature of press. And then he was built up to be this idea that wasn’t him. Here’s the thing. I’m probably not going to read the book. I haven’t seen the documentary, but I support a person reclaiming their truth and their narrative. And I’m like, air it all out, baby. Because here’s the thing, too. Whether we like it or not, the press will never stop coming for this family. As their child grows up, they’re going to pay ridiculous amounts of money for where that kid goes to school, pictures of him– 


Yasmine Hamady: Oh. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like they will be subjected to this forever. So. So I fully support the idea of them continuing to tell their story of them fighting the false narratives that are put on them. Tell it all like, I’m not going to read the book, I’m probably not going to watch the documentary. It’s not something that I’m, you know, really– 


Josie Totah: But he’s been abused, left and right and you’re right– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: That’s my thing. 


Josie Totah: –he has a right to say something. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Reclaim your narrative, say your truth and tell it all, baby boy. And I hope that it’s liberating for him. 


Josie Totah: They they will– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: And cathartic.


Josie Totah: They weren’t the family, Charles told Harry that there wasn’t enough money to support him and Meghan, this is what this is before they left the royal family. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: And that whole thing, like he had told his father that, you know, he was obviously marrying this girl. And the father said that he had no money to go around. So imagine– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: –being forced to work or being forced to be in– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: –serve your country. 


Josie Totah: –this environment and serve your country in a way that like is ingenuine to you and isn’t authentic and something that you do not want to do, and you’re even being compensated for that? 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. They–


Josie Totah: Literally crazy. 


Yasmine Hamady: I also [?]–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: They may not say it, but I will say it. The family’s punishing them and they are racist and there are bigotry– 


Yasmine Hamady: That’s– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like you know what I mean? 


Yasmine Hamady: Alycia. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like– 


Yasmine Hamady: Alycia. That’s exactly it. Because I’m sorry. I think that’s a pathetic excuse. You see William with a white wife came coming from a great university. Also, Meghan went to an incredible university. But what’s the difference between Kate and Meghan? She’s Black. And Kate is white. That is the difference. And Kate is from the U.K. And she’s also and like she comes from a hierarchy of a different family. Meghan’s mom, she was raised by a single mom later in the age in L.A. She went to– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Yasmine Hamady: –an art school. She and also– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Yasmine Hamady: I really actually implore people to watch the docu series. Obviously, it is biased. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Yasmine Hamady: It’s from them. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Yasmine Hamady: But you listen to Meghan’s mom talk about the point of view. And also Meghan asked Prince Charles to walk her down the aisle because her father couldn’t. The tabloid forgets about that. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Yasmine Hamady: I’m also– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Did you guys see how, like, controversial and it became like a hot topic that I think she’s a housewife. I think her name is Bethenny or something? 


Josie Totah: Bethenny Frankel. 


Yasmine Hamady: Bethenny Frankel!


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah, she was like– 


Yasmine Hamady: Can’t stand, love her though.


Alycia Pascual-Peña: She was like, she was like, shut up already. Like, I think I saw a video on TikTok of her being like, Shut up. Like, what else do we have to hear from you? And I thought it was hilarious cause someone commented, Girl, didn’t you pee in a bucket on live television. 


Josie Totah: Right. You have nothing to say.


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like people– 


Yasmine Hamady: Yeah. Bethenny–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: People, people– 


Yasmine Hamady: Bethenny shut the fuck up– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Like– 


Yasmine Hamady: –And go back to New York. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: And I think it’s like that leads us to something else. Like people love to, you know tear– 


Josie Totah: Comment on stuff they don’t know anything about. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Exactly. 


Josie Totah: And the implications of this are going to be insane. Some say that because he admitted to using psychedelics. I don’t know what the statute of limitations on that in America like some people are have refused their like visitors visa, I think America loves him. So I don’t think we need to worry about that. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Yeah. 


Josie Totah: But can I just say the tea that’s going to break out in the family themselves? You know what I want? I want Charlamagne tha God to fly to London, bring little Prince Harry and his gworl, Meghan Markle, and sit these people down and really talk it out. I feel like he is the one to do it. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Charlamagne. 


Josie Totah: I think Charlamagne could do it. 


Yasmine Hamady: You think Charlamagne tha God is [?]. [banter]


Josie Totah: No, because he’s intelligent, I think he’s– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: He has a night show. 


Josie Totah: –He’s empathetic, I think he is strong. 


Yasmine Hamady: If anyone can–


Josie Totah: I– 


Yasmine Hamady: –It’s Ziwe or Jennifer Hudson– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh my gosh. 


Yasmine Hamady: –and no one can tell me. Or Kelly Clarkson. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Or Kelly Clarkson. 


Yasmine Hamady: Those are the three women–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Or Drew Barrymore! 


Josie Totah: Drew Barrymore– 


Yasmine Hamady: Drew Barrymore will save the royal family. 


Josie Totah: Anyway. So rest in peace. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh wait what? 


Josie Totah: Sorry I don’t know why I said that. [laughin]


Alycia Pascual-Peña: What?


Josie Totah: But not RIP.


Yasmine Hamady: Whatever. I’m sorry. 


Josie Totah: Let’s get to– 


Yasmine Hamady: Can that be a thing, like whenever shit goes south, rest in peace. 


Josie Totah: Okay. Let’s put to rest uh this, though. But we pray for Harry. We we pray for the family. But I do think if Jerry Springer was still around. 


Yasmine Hamady: Ugh. 


Josie Totah: He could do it. But I think Charlamagne, it’s on you boo. And um. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Shout out Charlamagne. 


Josie Totah: And. Yeah, pray for them. And that was our Dare We News you guys, pretty great. Pretty grand. We’ll be right back. [music break] Hi, guys. Welcome to our first ever rendition of Bone Pick, where we have a bone to pick with one of our audience members or listeners who have complained about something we have said on the show. Either if you DM or uh showing up at our house or mailing us something or sending us a dirty little email. Okay. Yasmine. You have 90 seconds to talk about your bone to pick with one of our audience members who have spoken to you about reproductive rights. And go. 


Yasmine Hamady: This is for user, I am a prick with a small penis and a receding hairline 69. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Okay Greta. 


Yasmine Hamady: This one’s for you. I’m sorry. What the fuck? I’m sorry. What the fuck? All of these comments were coming for me because I said that this is not a life. I’m sorry. It’s a fucking zygote in the  side of a uterus, which is not a beating thing. Like my. My literal fake acrylic fucking nails has more cells then that embryo. Sorry about it. I think it’s so pathetic how you’ll come for us being like, you’re going to hell, You’re going to hell. Honestly, you can shove yourself right up someone’s fucking arsehole is what you can do. I’m tired of this bullshit. Like you could call call me out for what you want. You’re like, for the death penalty. I stalked your Instagram actually, I went through your stories you pro-gun son of a bitch. I don’t give a fuck. You probably get your fucking jackets and stuff after you skin an animal alive after hunting in the middle of fucking Tennessee you and you’re still wear, you probably you probably drink blood in the morning, you fucking vampire. 


Josie Totah: 20 seconds left. 


Yasmine Hamady: I. 20 seconds left. I just genuinely think you’re you’re the one going to hell. I also think that you’re ugly. Like, objectively. 


Josie Totah: Oh my god. 


Yasmine Hamady: If there was a gun to my fucking head, I still wouldn’t fucking kiss you. That’s how ugly you are. 


Josie Totah: Jesus Christ. Okay. And right– 


Yasmine Hamady: Sorry. 


Josie Totah: –on the dot. [clapping]


Yasmine Hamady: Is that too much to say? You came for my fucking rights? 


Josie Totah: No. I’m proud–


Yasmine Hamady: He came for my rights. And my–


Alycia Pascual-Peña: He attacked us first.


Josie Totah: I’m proud of you. Thank you for that. 


Yasmine Hamady: Sorry. 


Josie Totah: And you know what? It’s a man, can we just we’ll just make sure everyone knows it’s a man. You’re not calling a woman ugly. Because no women are ugly. 


Yasmine Hamady: That’s actually true. Cause even though there was a woman who was really I almost started crying at the Paris airport this morning because a woman was so mean to me. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh no. 


Yasmine Hamady: And I couldn’t be rude to her because she was so beautiful. [laugh] And her boyfriend literally looked at me and mouthed me sorry. [last part in a whisper]


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Stop. Pretty Priviledge.


Josie Totah: [?]. All right, you guys, that was our first rendition of Bone to Pick. [music break] You guys, such vibes. Thank you for educating me. I feel like I was filled in on so much today. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Same. 


Josie Totah: I learned that sports are literally bad and we should ban them and also create– 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Oh ok. 


Josie Totah: –more safety for people. And also that hung over sheek is in and I love that Yas. This was beautiful. We should do it again. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: Agreed. This was fun. 


Yasmine Hamady: We should do this. 


Alycia Pascual-Peña: I love a hot topic. You guys keep me young. 


Josie Totah: Stay educated. 


Yasmine Hamady: Um. 


Josie Totah: Stay up. Stay down. And uh if you want to leave another note on my car, babe, go ahead. Text me. Let’s hang out. Bye. [laughter] 


Yasmine Hamady: Bye! [music break]


Josie Totah: Dare We Say is a Crooked Media production. 


Yasmine Hamady: Caroline Reston is our showrunner, producer and Mommy and Ari Schwartz is our producer and show daddy. Fiona Pestana is our associate producer and Sandy Girard is the almighty executive producer. 


Josie Totah: It’s hosted and produced by me, Josie Totah. 


Yasmine Hamady: And me, Yasmine Hamady.


Alycia Pascual-Peña: And me, Alycia Pascual-Peña. Our engineer and editor is Jordan Cantor. And Brian Vasquez is our theme music composer. Our video producers are Matt DeGroot, Narineh Melokonian and Delon Villanueva and Mia Kellman. 


Josie Totah: Lastly, thank you to Jordan Silver, Gabriela Leverette, Jesse McLean, Caroline Heywood, Shaina Hortsmann, Deisi Cruz, Danielle Jensen and Ewa Okulate. For marketing the show and making us look so damn good.